UFO Crash RetrievalsOn August 9, 2016, Corey Goode and David Wilcock discussed new video testimony of Clifford Stone regarding his 22 year military career in a highly classified program involving  UFO crash recoveries and extraterrestrial communications. The Cosmic Disclosure episode featured a recently recorded video interview with Stone that discussed how he was recruited into the covert program run by the US Air Force, while serving with the US Army (transcript here). 

A companion biographical video was simultaneously released with details about his background. The Stone interviews provide important corroborating information about Corey Goode’s claims of serving as an intuitive empath for multiple Secret Space programs involving extraterrestrial communications from 1987 to 2007.

Another whistleblower claiming to have worked in a classified military program as an intuitive communicator with extraterrestrial civilizations is Dan Sherman, who worked in the USAF and National Security Agency as an electronics communications expert for 12 years.  I compared the background and covert training of Stone and Sherman in a 2007 research paper. Both Stone and Sherman’s background and covert training has important similarities with Goode’s own experiences.

What follows is an updated repost of a 2005 article discussing my interview with Stone which provides additional information about his covert program, along with links to a transcript of the two part interview which was published in the inaugural 2006 edition of the Exopolitics Journal. Stone described how he would travel to UFO crash retrieval sites in order to telepathically communicate with any extraterrestrial survivors and administer First Aid according to a medical guidebook for 57 extraterrestrial races.

This dovetails with Goode’s claims that between 40-60 extraterrestrial races are involved in 22 long-term genetic experiments on Earth. More correlations between Goode and Stone’s testimony is discussed in the August 9 Cosmic Disclosure episode and future interviews  featuring Clifford Stone. 

Michael E. Salla, Ph.D.


An Interview With Clifford Stone: The EBE Guidebook*

[Repost with updated links] On July 20, 2005 I completed a phone interview with Sgt Clifford Stone (ret) who discussed at length his involvement in UFO crash retrieval teams during his 22 year military service from 1968-1990. Sgt Stone served in the U.S. Army and claims he was covertly recruited into an elite UFO retrieval team due to his natural ability to interface with extraterrestrial biological entities (EBEs). He claims that he was picked out during his childhood by the U.S. military and had an Air Force Captain regularly visit him on a weekly basis who encouraged Sgt Stone in pursuing his interest in UFOs, and eventually influenced his decision to join the military. Upon joining the military Stone found himself starting a very untypical military career.

Stone says he was initially given training at a Nuclear, Biological and Chemical Warfare facility at Fort Ft. McClellan, Alabama, and then given regular army assignments until called away to perform his crash retrieval duties when required.  Stone claims that when required for UFO retrievals he was typically called out to serve for a week. He says that his army service record was distorted to exclude references to his actual training and assignments, and refers to him only performing clerical duties as a typist. Like many whistleblowers, there is controversy over inconsistencies between his testimony and lack of documentary evidence to verify his alleged training and actual service.

The strongest objective support for his claims of having worked in covert UFO retrieval projects is the extensive documentation he has provided to support the existence of covert UFO crash retrieval teams. He was able to use very specific Freedom of Information Acts requests to uncover information disclosing the existence of classified projects such as Moon Dust and Blue Fly that were created to recover debris of UFOs.

For example, in reviewing a Air Force Intelligence letter known as the Betz memo (1961), Sgt Stone was able to reveal to the general public evidence that Project Moon Dust involved a: “potential for employment of qualified field intelligence personnel on a quick reaction basis to recover or perform field exploitation of unidentified flying objects (source).

Even strong critics such as Captain [now Major] Kevin Randle (USAF, ret) acknowledge Stone’s pioneering research in bringing to the public information concerning UFO crash retrieval teams (source). In the preface to Stone’s book, UFOs are Real (1997), another critic, Stanton Friedman, acknowledges Stone’s efforts in bringing into the public arena many documents never before published.

The fact that Stone was able to ferret out the existence of such classified projects despite previous denial of their existence by various military and government authorities, supports his testimony that he had first hand knowledge of these classified projects. Furthermore, these documents support his testimony that he had tried to make available for the public record sufficient information so he would not be punished for revealing the classified information he had personally acquired during his service on these projects.

As many have pointed out, the disclosure of classified information involves severe penalties, especially for whistleblowers for the UFO phenomenon that appear to run the most risk of adverse penalties in disclosing such information (source). Stone catalogued in UFOs are Real numerous documents he had been able to retrieve by FOIA even during his years of military service. Consequently, Stone’s pioneering documentary research into UFO crash retrievals is strong support for his testimony of actually having served on such teams during his military service.

Stone claimed in the interview that during his military service he was monitored by an individual whose rank he was never told but whom he called ‘Colonel’. The Colonel was present at UFO crash retrieval locations and led the debriefing sessions of Stone. He claims that the Colonel allowed him to read a three inch thick notebook manual that contained information on 57 types of extraterrestrial biological entities (EBEs) known to the military.

Stone first saw the “EBE Guidebook” in 1979 and claims that it contained much information on each of group of EBEs in terms of their physiology, food requirements and medical information. He claims he could read the Guidebook when he was serving on the retrieval teams up until 1989. Stone says that the Guidebook was to be used in case First Aid had to be administered to any EBEs found at crash sites. In the interview, he gave the example of Iodine which can be administered for first aid purposes, but can be deadly for some EBEs.

As a whistleblower, there continues to be intense debate over Stone’s testimony and the veracity of his claims. Some of these debates have occurred with critics such as Randle who has also personally interviewed Stone and did not believe him to be credible (source ). Randle’s main criticism is that Stone’s military record only refers to him being trained as a clerk typist. Randle doesn’t accept Stone’s argument that the clerical training on his military record was only a cover for his specialized training in specialized units such as the Nuclear, Chemical and Biological Warfare training facility.

If Stone was only ever a typist, as Randle suggests, then it would be hard to explain how a clerk typist would have knowledge of classified projects such as Moon Dust and Blue Fly that prior to Stone’s successful FOIA requests, were officially denied to exist. Stone’s successful FOIA requests of documents describing classified projects, gives credence to his claims that he had first hand knowledge of these classified projects, and was very likely involved with Projects Moon Dust and Blue Fly as a crash retrieval specialist.

In my interview Stone comes across as very meticulous in his statements, very clear about the information he is revealing, and refuses to speculate on subjects he did not directly experience. The information he provided in the interview was very consistent with earlier interviews conducted by other investigators such as Paola Harris one of which is available online.

Furthermore, Stone had no desire to gain financial profit for his evidence or appeared in any way to be a publicity seeker. He came across as an individual of great integrity desiring to let the American public learn the truth about UFOs and the extraterrestrial hypothesis (ETH) that these are interplanetary spacecraft.

My overall conclusion is that Stone is very credible due to the meticulous nature of his testimony, the consistency in his story, his obvious integrity, and because of the documents he has been able to provide demonstrating the existence of elite UFO crash retrieval teams under the classified Moon Dust and Blue Fly projects.

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USAF Document featured in Clifford Stone’s Report to the U.S. Congress. Source.

In terms of a range of ‘soft’ and ‘hard’ criteria to analyze the veracity of whistleblower testimony, Stone ranks very highly both because of his personal integrity and the documents he was able to provide in support of his testimony. The documentary evidence Stone provided of classified projects he allegedly served on, also supports perhaps the most controversial aspect of his testimony that his own military records were altered so as to not reflect his actual training and duties.

The most remarkable aspect of my July 20 interview is the information Sgt Stone claimed existed in the EBE Guidebook. This has very important exopolitical significance that I wish to now elaborate upon. The alleged EBE Guidebook describes the physiological characteristics of 57 types of EBEs. This suggests extensive knowledge was likely gained through a number of sources: UFO crash retrievals; EBE visitations; and/or cooperation with some EBEs who were aware of other EBEs visiting the Earth.

The compilation of such a guidebook suggests a very well coordinated and funded research program exists in the classified projects involving EBEs and ETVs. Such a detailed study gives support to the existence of an Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit that was allegedly created in 1942 to study the UFO phenomenon. The Majestic Documents website includes references and reports by such a unit on EBEs and UFOs which are available online.

The implications of the existence of an ‘EBE Guidebook’ is startling since it suggests that the covert government agencies and military departments dealing with UFOs have long since resolved the truth of the extraterrestrial hypothesis (ETH). The ETH has been demonstrated to be very real, and covert military departments and government agencies have progressed far in cataloguing and analyzing different EBEs. It is also likely that such agencies have developed a very sophisticated analysis of the motivations and activities of EBEs that go far beyond any analysis available in the public arena (source).

In terms of a coordinated national security response by the U.S. authorities, it is very likely that a very detailed strategic analysis of many EBE groups in terms of their motivations, technologies and strategic capacities has already been conducted.

The strategic response is likely to be based on a multiple actor analysis of geo-politics and the involvement of different EBE groups with multiple agendas and capacities. This geo-political analysis is therefore very likely to lead to a ‘balance of power’ analysis of the multiple EBE groups and how various nation states may achieve their strategic goals in response to visiting EBE groups. My own earlier analysis of a hypothetical power politics approach to dealing with EBEs and the ETH is therefore more likely have merit due to the extensive number of EBE groups known to be interacting with humanity.

My own conclusion as an exopolitical researcher is that we have only scratched the surface of what is known by government agencies and military departments about EBEs, their motivations and associated technologies. This suggests that if exopolitical researchers are to influence government policy in how information on EBE groups and ETH is to be disseminated into the public arena, that there needs to be more appreciation of the extensive knowledge gained over five decades of covert research on EBEs and the government response.

This knowledge has been used to develop a strategic response to the multiple EBE groups visiting Earth which implies disclosure of the truth of the ETH would somehow damage the strategic goals of military departments and government agencies responsible for a coordinated national security response. It is therefore up to exopolitical researchers to come up with a persuasive strategic reason for why disclosure not only benefits the public interest, but also appreciably strengthens the national interest of the U.S. and other major nations aware of the truth of the ETH.

The full transcript of the July 20, 2005, interview with Clifford Stone is available in the inaugural edition of the Exopolitics Journal.

* I wish to thank Paola Harris who kindly contacted Sgt Stone to arrange my interview with him.

© Michael E. Salla, PhD
July 23, 2005
http://www.exopolitics.org
drsalla@exopolitics.org

2016-summer-conference-banner-650In July and August this year, successive conferences will be held at Mount Shasta focusing on Extraterrestrial Contact and Secret Space Programs. The organizer of the events, Rob Potter, has been working for nearly four decades with different contactees in the USA, and, more recently, South America. He has a wealth of experience about who’s who in the field of benevolent extraterrestrial contact.

What follows is the transcript of an interview I did with Rob on June 17 about why he decided to organize these two conferences, what attendees can expect, who the speakers are, and what they will be presenting.

As one of the featured speakers, I also touch upon some of the material I will be discussing about secret space programs and how credentialed whistleblowers like William Tompkins are now appearing, who substantiate what has been previously disclosed, and the connection with extraterrestrial contact.

Rob’s conferences in the pristine wilderness of Mt Shasta offer a very rare opportunity for participants to hear cutting edge information about extraterrestrial life and secret space programs, while being able to relax in magnificent surroundings.

Also, there is always the unexpected opportunity such surroundings provide for contact to occur in unique ways, as is suitable for each participant if they are ready for it!

Most want open contact with extraterrestrial life and full disclosure of secret space programs to occur. These two conferences are a step in that direction and I hope you can support them by attending and/or letting others know.

Michael E. Salla, Ph.D.

Permission granted to distribute article in full or in part freely.


Rob Potter Interview with Dr. Michael Salla

June 17, 2016

Transcribed by Sam Ritchie

Dr. Michael Salla: Rob, you are organizing an event at Mt. Shasta for a Bolivian contactee, Luis Mostajo Fernando, in July [29-31]. So why have you decided to work with South American contactees?

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robheadshotsRob Potter: Well, I have to tell you from a very early age when I first found out about things in the UFO field in the 1978, ’79 era, when Fred [Bell] started talking more about the UFO experiences, I heard about the Great White Brotherhood. And I was in contact with George Hunt Williamson, and he had a group in Peru that was talking about the Inner Retreats, the Great White Brotherhood, and I actually had correspondence and they had an invitation, and my heart and soul wanted to go there, but I was 19 or 20 or something, and I could really even muster plane fare down there. It just called to me.

So when I heard about Luis Maertens, and actually through you had some contact – your feedback and your article with him really inspired me. And I went down last summer and met Luis and it was absolutely incredible.

We went to this hot springs called Urmirri, which is kind of an Outer Retreat of the Great White Brotherhood and my summer group had a contact/ sighting there. I just feel his message is so humble. There’s no looking for any type of fame or attention. He’s absolutely the genuine real deal, and reminds me very much of Frank Stranges, another Venusian contactee of Commander Valiant Thor, which is a little more business oriented.

Luis is all heart and he explains a lot of stuff. He has repeated physical contact with not only Venusians, but Tau Ceti, Alpha Centauri and the Pleiades – physical contacts.

He has, like Corey, been put into a Blue Sphere in Machu Picchu, many years ago, where he was transferred to Ganymede portal, the Jupiter portal, which is a major Confederation training center and contact. He has been to the Inner Retreats of the Great White Brotherhood in the mountains of Illampu, down there, in what’s called The Temple of Purity.

He has also been several times to meet the Master Soromez, who is one of the ancient Atlantean masters, 40,000 years old, who is the primary caretaker of one of the Golden Discs of the Sun. There may be more. But there’s one down there that’s very important.

And I just absolutely adore him. He came to Hawaii this winter and people just gave him a standing ovation. He really revealed the divine feminine in his presentation.

I want his message to get out to the public. That’s why he’s coming, because he’s a real contactee and his information doesn’t go into anything at all in regards to cover-up, government stuff. It’s all positive.

Dr. Salla: Yes, it’s fascinating that he has had for a number of years now these experiences, and he’s reported getting into these devices that are similar to the Blue Spheres that Corey Goode’s been talking about. Luis and the other South Americans call them Xendras, [link] but effectively it does something very similar to what Corey’s described. So it just shows that there is a real continuity here between what different contactees are experiencing.

Rob: Yeah, it’s like a plasma scalar, or some sort of field portal, and it’s blue. So it seems Corey’s not the first person to be traveling in blue orbs spheres.

Dr. Salla: Exactly. One of the things that I found fascinating with Luis when I read his material and learned about his contact experiences was how he first met these extraterrestrials from the Galactic Confederation and he mentioned they have a base on Ganymede, one of the moons of Jupiter.

And he said that one of these beings, actually one of these extraterrestrials, facilitated his contact with this ascended master or master of wisdom, whatever you want to call him, Soromez, from one of the ancient civilizations.

And I thought it was really peculiar, but [it’s] not the first time that I’ve come across this where extraterrestrials actually introduce contactees to these masters of wisdom who are indigenous to our planet. And it strikes me as really strange. Why is it that we as a species aren’t ready to meet these ascended beings from our own world and we need to have extraterrestrials, off-world visitors, kind of do the introduction.

Rob: Well, I think that it may not be necessary in every case, but I think in Luis’s particular contact, he also had contact with Oaxcl. He’s a Venusian and he’s been to Venus too, but I think for me, when I look at this, it confirms for me the greater plan and the unity of the benevolent races.

It goes back, again, to the quarantine. And this has to do with several things. One is, you know, most civilizations live on the interior, according to Valiant Thor, other worlds. And if you’re on the surface, you can be exposed to radiation. And it seems as though that certain historical events and our misuse of nuclear power have kind of denigrated our DNA, as well as what we call the quarantine, where . . . I don’t know what to call them other than evil. Some people call them hostile forces. I don’t want to go into religious stuff, but let’s just say, I would concur with Cobra that we’re being kind of held hostage and that the benevolent forces are absolutely dying to communicate with us and to embrace us once again into the greater galactic family, but due to the hostile, bellicose nature of not only the government, but kind of humanity’s misled reality, has created a situation for them that open contact with us would not be safe for them or for us  at this time .

And there is required a certain level of maturity that when they introduce themselves to us, the technology has to come. We’ve already got it in the hands of a small elite crew in the Secret Space Nazi International Corporate Conglomerate Program that are misusing this. They’re using it for their own power, their own aggrandizement, and there is a lack of respect for the surface population and what we are. They call us ‘useless eaters’.

We are still taking oil out of the ground in greed. We are not quite ready for that technology. And they want to give it to us, but it has to be done in a proper way and we cannot be misusing it. We must be trained in the universal laws of Ubuntu, like we are our brother’s keeper. We have a law of allegiance; a law of allowance that provides for freewill. You can do what you want as long as other people are not hurt.

So we have to kind of mature or ripen in wisdom as a people. I think they could contact us immediately and begin this process, but the mass media, people’s ignorance, superstition and fear, are some of the reasons, but I think primarily, it has to do with the safety of the surface population. As you know, Michael, in the past many people were murdered for the information that Corey’s is getting out and many are still working behind the scenes.

And god bless the military and the Secret Space Program guys. They are doing their best as they see it from their military viewpoint.

So we do have contact directly. It doesn’t have to be an ET contact, but we do have contacts directly with ascended masters. It’s historical visions of like over Egypt – the Coptic Church of the Ascended Master Mary during a time of great strife between the Coptic Christians and the Muslim. Mary appeared over the most famous Coptic Church in Egypt. I actually visited there near Luxor and the apparition sighting managed to calm the tensions down. It was kind of a mystical light appearance to calm the ignorance of religious intolerance. So that’s a female ascended master showing. We also have other ones as well.

I’ll say this. The inner earth group called The Great White Brotherhood, from my understanding, was formed about 10,000 years ago, and was part of this 40-race group that came here to really try to clean up the Earth’s hostile environment and to begin what’s called the Rahma Mission of direct contact with the masses.

Normally, they contact the world through their governance, but our governance is corrupt. So they’ve decided to do what’s called the Rahma Mission and that’s contacting individuals like Frank Stranges, you know, any individual contactee, Alex Collier, Fred Bell, Frank Stranges, could probably fall under that individual contactee umbrella that is bringing the messages directly to the people. And so many more now. It’s really just increasing.

Dr. Salla: Luis, Ricardo Gonzalez, Sixto Paz Wells, and other South American contactees, emphasize spiritual exercises and personal transformation as a key for extraterrestrial contact and understanding of what UFOs are all about. So how does that mesh with the more scientific tradition in North America, especially the U.S., of relying on physical evidence to understand what’s happening with UFOs?

Rob: Yeah, I would have to say maybe it doesn’t mesh with the scientific minded orientation that is materialistically oriented . It’s coming from One. But I think we do have to have both. I mean, the way we are in our consciousness and the way we think with the one sided approach of dualistic material. And that’s kind of where we’ve gone is in limited view that can only be proven by materialistic scientific means.

We have made science our god and we don’t allow faith or intuition. Science only takes you so far. There’s only . . a close-ended never ending cycle.  Intellect [and logic] are steps on an endless ladder and throughout the materials world you will never end your learning or growing in intellectual awareness, but wisdom, and spiritual experience, comes from the soul.

And the science of the soul is learning about the ancient knowledge, which is galactic and human . . . We have a historical human aspect to the spiritual development, but it’s been hidden. It’s been attacked. The people involved in it have been burned at the stake and ostracized, so there have been what are called mystery schools or occult, which simply means hidden, just like the Jesuits and the breakaway civilizations which are self serving in their secrecy. The lineages of Light have been forced to keep their teachings more or less secret out of a need for safety and to be free from persecution through out the ages.

And these teachings are available. For one who seeks, one can learn these teachings. For me, through Fred Bell, I came in through the spiritual. I was looking for communion with spirit. And the true nature of the self, who we are and where we came from. And he led me to Alice Bailey, which some people find controversial, Madame Blavatsky, and, of course, Manly Hall’s book and also the first important book he told me to read was “The Autobiography of the Yogi”.

And this book very clearly unified the universal Christ in all religions and that’s where I came from in my search for truth. And I was thinking, personally I thought, back then that we have to get rid of technology. It’s a mess. We need to go back to the Native American ways and become very close with the land. And we can sacrifice some of our toxic comfort that we’ve created for a harmonious non-invasive spiritual connection of family that we would have.

There are different principles that are involved in that. So I came to it through that and then when I started having my out-of-body-experiences with the Pleiadians, and the contact experiences, it was very inter-dimensional and very hard to process intellectually.

They showed me some things and I was like, “Ah-h-h. We CAN be spiritual and harmonious with nature. And we can time travel and live with abundance, prosperity and very high technology.”

So it became apparent to me that they can be fused. So it’s wisdom. And one of the teachings of the Hindus is called the Jnana and the Bhakti. The Jnana is the intellectual process of realizing God and having everything together. And Bhakti is the devotional or faith-based aspect, where all you do is pray and chant and sing and dance and commune with spirit through your heart and feelings.

They say that in the end the Bhakti must become the Jnani and the Jnani must become the Bhakti. We must fuse our wisdom and experience with our intellectual side. The other thing we have to realize is that not everything can be explained. There are unknowable things and yet we can connect to this vast wisdom – this pool of omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence.

Through our own living flame, or the word of God, that lives within us, which some people call the Atman – there’s different names for this direct connection. The soul, the essence of who we are – is part and parcel of everything. We’re a holographic reflection. And if we can connect to that, then we can intuitively know – we don’t intellectually think about every action, but we’re just choosing the proper course of wisdom and love in our daily actions through our accumulated ability, awareness, to connect to the universal Source.

So wisdom and love, intuition and faith, are just as important as the scientific things. So I think you can come at it from both ways and eventually the intellect has to succumb to the greater reality on a certain level.

Dr. Salla: Right. I agree that there has to be some balance between the two and I like the way you approach it. And so you’ve met a number of U.S. contactees. You mentioned Fred Bell. So have you found that there are differences between the South American contactees and the North American contactees?

Rob: I wouldn’t say particularly in general. I think the Southern American contactees, Luis Fernando Mustojo Maertens – I love that he’s got four names – and you’ve got Sixto Paz Wells, Ricardo Gonzalez, primarily that I know of. I’m sure there are others, but these gentlemen have been contacting the same individuals under the umbrella of the same mission and been getting a lot of similar information.

So in that sense, they’re very similar.

The Venusian, Valiant Thor, has several contacts. Dr. Frank Stranges is one of the only public figures I know. I know the names and individuals of some others that were on what is called the Council of Twelve from Dr. Frank. And there’s a gentleman in Switzerland that’s mentioned. But there contacts are very similar because they’re very spiritual oriented, although they do encompass world affairs and are observing what’s going on.

I met Daniel Fry back in the day. Gabriel Green was one of my greatest mentors. And he and the Bill Tompkins story we mentioned privately, Frank Chile my friend, what a great guy. I just love Frank. He was always so warm, always so enthusiastic, and he could just tell tale upon tale upon tale of benevolent space family contact.

Michael Elegion to a lesser extent. He’s had physical contact. He’s not directly permanently in contact, like Dr. Frank or Fred. And, again, you have Alex Collier, let’s see, Daniel Fry, Gabriel Green . . . Those are some of my primary teachers. Dr. Frank Stranges and Fred, and I did get to meet Alex personally some years ago. And then he’s come to my conference.

There’s a difference between a telepathic communication and a physical contactee that just has that real experience of that decontamination – the process of going up and the communication and some of them on mother ships. It just leads to this absolute presence that you just look at them and you . . . you know, for people who intellectually look at them from a distance and “that’s all hooey”, as you know from your multiple contactee experiences and you have your own experience with Luis there where a ship came in on cue like with our group in South America.

We hope to have that happen at Shasta this summer, but there’s this presence. Would you agree that they just have this look in their eye and their stories don’t change, and it’s very powerful. I mean, I’ve had limited experiences and my stories don’t change. But I have not had that on-going face-to-face contact.

So I just have to say that the face-to-face ones are the most bona fide for me. I would say that most of them that I know of – and I’m not talking about abductees, I just don’t go with the Travis Walton and the Whitley Strieber, bless them. But I’m not in to any Grey implant abduction scenarios left, right or center. I think that process needs to be clarified as a difference between face-to-face contact.

I think they’re all, almost every single one that I know, has been benevolent. I think they have their own perspectives and what their missions are with the Earth people. And they have their own approaches. And not every single one of them knows every bit of history of ever minutae on the Earth and many of those groups wh are contacting individuals don’t know what the other groups are doing with the other contactees!

So we have this . . . We don’t have a unified, blanket come down where every contactee says this and that and this and that. They all have a slightly different perspective on different things and are revealing different things.

But I would generally say that most of them come in peace with love in their hearts. And of these groups, I think the Venusians are pretty up there. The Pleiadians, you know, they have different historical things and what they revealed and what they don’t reveal and who they contact. You know, the Venusians are very, just generally, always extremely positive. And their civilization for some of them is based on the astral plane so they’re well above anybody from Planet X or the Pleiades or some of these physical civilizations. They’re in a higher dimension. They’re kind of beyond the physical plane already in a sense.

So it’s discernment and a processing things through our hearts. But I think if we look at the benevolent contacts, Sheldan Nidle, although he repeats a lot, my sources have indicated – one of my Venusian contacts indicated – he’s the real deal. And he has very positive intentions and I’m not sure about what he’s saying – the intel. It seems kind of repetitive to me, but I know Sheldan personally and he’s a sincere, honest guy.

Dr. Salla: Yes, he’s been around for a long time, but I do like what you said about the difference between the contactees with benevolent extraterrestrials or those who’ve had friendly contact experiences – the difference between that experience and those with telepathic communications.

You know, one of the things I’ve found with the contactees that I’ve met is that in their presence there’s this really beautiful, uplifting energy. It’s just that everyone gets lifted up to new possibilities and it really reminds me of being in … ashrams or when you’re in the presence of very spiritually-evolved people that it really is something very special when you’re around these people and like you said, their eyes light up and it’s a wonderful experience.

And I’m not surprised that these people were chosen by the extraterrestrials for those kinds of qualities, because really they’re ambassadors. They’re galactic ambassadors.

Rob: Yes, I can tell you they all have personal problems, struggles, and they’re all not perfect and they deal with a lot of stuff. But at the end of the day, they subjugate to the mission and their spiritual connection is strong. But they have . . . They’ve gone through their doubts.

Fred used to say that it was very difficult to come back off the ship. So he switched pretty early on. He got to go to the planet Lyra in the Pleiades and he actually piloted the ship once over the Air Force base we stopped and he went up for a ride.

He didn’t like coming down like Alex Collier. You know, the famous quote Alex is getting off the ship. He’s crying. He doesn’t want to come back and I love this quote from I think it was Vyasis or Moranae, excuse me Alex if I err. whoever it was, but they said, “Alex, the pain you carry is the love that you withhold.”

And that’s a very high statement and easily said intellectually, adored, but to actually process that in a physical body and to really do that is not so easy.  I could talk about love and light and understand the process and meditate as much as I can. And then there’s the human element where we all, not everyone maybe, not you, Michael, but we all – I certainly fall short and I react. People attack me on the Internet and sometimes I just go . . . I respond . . . I probably shouldn’t and should just let it go.

Some people say I’m sending them, you know, porno. I can’t even create my own website. Me hacking stuff is ridiculous. But, you know, I take personal offense sometimes and I should not return anger with a snide comment. But we’re all human, so . . .

A lot of the contact experience is a tremendous burden and Luis’s really good at it. He’s always so light and loving. Dr. Frank was the same way – just always full of joy and love for God and their eyes . . . It’s a powerful thing.

Dr. Salla: Right. So you’ve decided to hold the event with Luis at Mt. Shasta in July. And I then that’s going to be followed, I think a month later, with the Secret Space Program event at Mt. Shasta at the end of August. So why did you choose Mt. Shasta for the two summer conferences?

Rob: Well, for me, actually, my son was . . . I lived there in 1995 to kind of just get out of the rat race. I was a beach boy. I never thought I would get into this mountain living so much and Mt. Shasta I thought was a short trip, but I fell in love with the mountains. I’m a beach boy and now I’m a mountain man.

There’s something so powerful there. I had so many experiences with some close contacts and some energetic overshadowing. I lived in the unique location called Morningstar. And I was having a lot of, let’s say, ascended master and ET-type revelations there. And it’s a spiritual pilgrimage location due to the fact that there is one of the largest underground bastions of the Galactic Confederation, The Great White Brotherhood, is the Mt. Shasta and adjacent area complex.

They have never been breached. They are extremely loving and powerful and will play a very big part in the future for education of humanity.

I’ve lived there on and off for 20 years. I could never really support myself. My son was born there so I’d always go back and forth during the summer and run out of money and then go back to my healing work in Southern California. I just love it.

And I have great connections there. And it just kind of happened. I started small and I’m in my sixth conference, or seventh this summer with these two. I’ve been very careful and prudent not to overextend myself and they’ve been successful.

And the great thing about these conferences, as you know, Michael, the presenters are one thing, but it’s the energy. You’re meeting 150 people who are the black sheep, understanding the spiritual information, who have felt isolated with their inner understanding. Sometimes there are sightings and communications.

And here they get to go and everybody you see, almost everyone, is very positive. And they can share stories and reaffirm their knowledge that they’ve gathered, that others are assimilating the same process.

And, of course, we’re in the shadow of Mt. Shasta. James Gilliland, when he was coming, I mean, we were having light shows every night come on down. If you want to go out and watch UFOs.“Power up!” And do that kind of thing. You could see it.  

And I just love Shasta. I think it’s a great environment. It’s a little pricey because people have to travel there plus the conference fees, but I think it’s well worth it. Lifetime relationships are established. We have a Facebook page and people keep in touch

There’s a sense that . . . I like to bring the spiritual aspect to it – the process of attaining wisdom, of meditation. And the mystical side of developing ourselves through understanding our – let’s call it our – esoteric anatomy of our glandular functions and how the process of contact can take place for us individually and to reaffirm that in a group setting. That’s one of the reasons I love it. Plus, it’s just darn beautiful.

Dr. Salla: Right. Yes, I know. I have been there last year at the event. The vibration is really wonderful. The people are great. And it’s very friendly and very open and I can’t help but think that this is the kind of environment for people that are attracted there would actually be something that would lead to some kind of physical contact.

Of course, you mentioned the Inner Earth civilization and, of course, extraterrestrial, or the flying saucer craft are seen directly there…. We could imagine that there might actually be some contact, so do you think that this is one of the things that you would like to happen whether it’s at this conference or one of the future conferences that there would be a kind of contact event at your Mt. Shasta conference?

Rob: Well, I can tell you that Luis is famous for programmed contacts and that kind of contact is very possible this year. The Forest Service is giving us permission and I’m aligned with them. We’re not going to be going into any general public areas. We’re going to a non-disclosed location on a certain day at a certain time.

The second conference is more intellectual and we don’t have a contactee like Luis, who can literally bring them in, but we will stay on the property, which is very nice. So there’s a possible contact.

I’d like to say that in Dr. Frank Stranges meetings, I know for a fact I met two people from Venus there. They were telepathically communicating with me. They were from Venus, but I was kind of . . . One of them I was kind of having a cat and mouse thing. It was a girl, actually. My girlfriend at the time was jealous. Like, “What the heck stop flirting with her ?” I just shook my head. You can’t explain that kind of thing.

We had a dialect/telepathy and she kind of led me into certain areas of research. She was one on the cover of a famous picture of Valiant Thor. I believe they called her Jill. But she was in Dr. Frank Stranges inner circle meeting, and she just lit up the room, smiled at me. Every time I turned she just smiled like, “Good for you, Rob. You figured me out. But don’t say anything and let’s just have our regular conversation.” And that’s the way it was.

And there was another gentleman who initiated me in to the Order of Melchizedek, which is a thing and he wasn’t there for the two days. He came on the last day. He wasn’t there before lunch, but he was there from the after-lunch to the next break and then he was gone.

He had long blond hair to his shoulders. Extremely good looking – a guy. And when it came to put all the members put their hand on the other members and there’s a prayer and I made a pledge and an invocation, and this guy put his hand on top of my head and he locked eyes with mine and I was kind of thinking, “Oh, it’s this.” I was kind of embarrassed. I had forgotten that I had signed up for it.

Something told me, “Take this very seriously.” And when he put his hand on my head, there were electrical currents. It was a very positive experience and I thought, “I kind of want to find that guy after the thing,” and they kind of blocked my remebering ability to do the Jedi mind-trick and blocked my mind and I couldn’t look for him.

They’re very much like us. I can promise there’s probably been an ET or two at my conferences. You’ll never know. It’s just not important that that be revealed at this time. But they’re watching these type of things – especially with Luis, Alex, James. Of the guys that come to my conference, I think those guys have a very strong connection.

Cobra as well. You know, there’s a feeling that they’re watching these meetings very closely looking at people’s reactions to see who’s presenting, how it’s being presented, and if it’s coming off in a grounded way at the same time with a spiritual content. So there are contacts going on at these groups. I would say they’re not openly public, but who knows.

I would like . . . Maybe we’re with Luis, we’ll get one of those South American contacts he’s famous for where the UFO goes over the hill and three people have a contact. By the time the rest of the group gets there, they’re gone. But it could be very cool.

Dr. Salla: Yes. Why does information about Secret Space Programs have a catalyzing affect on people in the New Age and the UFO communities? People can’t seem to get enough of that information of these classified programs, so is that a sign of a global awakening?

Rob: Yeah, I think this, again, is coming from the research perspective, people are going to have felt a lot of the ETs is secret government stuff, which it has been, but I think that there is a . . . it’s more realistic for us to think about that. The revelations that they’re getting in regards to hyperspace and the science, the hard science, like on my website the Secret Space Program . . . If you click on that slider banner, there’s a gallery of photos.

I was contacted in 2011, by a guy who owned a company. And he gave me all these pictures of the technology. And you can see the advanced different technologies that they were using and lots that probably weren’t revealed. They showed little saucers and stuff.

I think people really understand now. They’re coming in through this government cover-up, the Nazi development of this technology, which goes to the mystics, the Thule Society, those women that started it with a spiritual intent and it got basically railroaded and hijacked. The contacts, all of a sudden, switched to the tall, long-nosed Greys and the hostile groups with the Hitler, you know, superior race vibe going on that really skewed the possible benevolent revelation that could have come forward at the time.

People are getting a little education and they’ll come in to the more spiritual positive elements once this dirty deeds, done dirt cheap-type of stuff that’s going on with the Secret Space Program, the Nazis, and that whole thing that’s been, you know, joining with the Dracos, allowing humans to be abducted and implanted, you know, the energetic loosh that David Wilcock talks about sucking people’s life force through fear of little children, pedophilia and murder for these Earth-based elitist . . . This stuff is so heinous, it’s just, you know, it’s hard to turn away, but it’s something that needs to be exposed.

I think the reason this is coming out now is humanity needs to understand this seamy underbelly so that we can expose it to the light of day and like a bit of mold, in the sunshine it will just dissipate and blow away. People will stop paying attention to these negative actions of the elitist criminals and simply un hook from  The Matrix and the control system will be revealed for what it is and people will no longer . . . They’re going, you know what, I don’t care about my job at this point. I’m just fed up. I’m a slave.” And they’re out and they’re making their own way.

So I think part of it is for humanity to gather traction into understanding the level of cover-up. I mean, if we take Corey Goode’s information, imagine the billions of dollars that have been made on pharmaceuticals. Imagine the pain and suffering that has gone into little children with cancer and all of these horrible diseases that people have had.

And the Venusians offered this to us in ’57. They said, “We’re going to offer you help The Confederation wants to give you free energy, communication, transportation technology that kind of benevolent interaction, but you have to put away nuclear power and end all of your wars. That’s a prerequisite.”

And they just said, “Sorry, we’re not going to do it. We wouldn’t be in power.” And they said, “Yeah, give us your technology.”

And they said, “No, when we give it, we land and it goes to everyone.”

And they said, “Well, we’re already getting it from the Dracos, the Greys and Reptilians. Screw you. Stay away. You land and we’re going to hunt you down and kill you.”

And some of the people in the military, who have been following this, many of them have been compartmentalized. Many of the higher Commander Bethune, Admiral Webster, . . . I forget some of the names, the main guys. They haven’t been happy with the cover-up, but the military mind likes secrecy and power and there’s an aspect of that that when they figured it out, it was so hard . . . Who are you going to take out, because it wasn’t a political person.

The presidents and the people in the front, except for George Bush, Cheney and some of these higher . . . like the Clintons . . . are definitely in on the program and understand what’s going on for their own selfish aggrandizement. They sell their souls and create wars and all the false flags that are going on, this Orlando thing, and all that.

We have to understand that some of the individuals in there have . . . you know, who do you contact and create a cadre of resistance within the military? It is a tough nut to crack.

Some of them have been in contact with these space families and the secret technology program and developing spiritual consciousness along side of technology.

So I think there’s a cadre of them and they’re so secret and have been working in the underground space program who have not liked what’s been going on. The themes, the general tone of secrecy and murder and keep the power at all costs, because people can’t handle it. I have to agree with Cobra, that’s a lie.

Randy Cramer, I adore him. He is a true patriot and that’s a guy I want on my side. He says that the Marines have analyzed demographic data, blah, blah, blah, and the disclosure has to come a certain way or there will be chaos in the streets.

I feel there’s chaos on the planet. There’s murder, death and destruction, and people will be able to process the truth. And unlike Jack Nicholson: “You can’t handle the truth.” People can handle the truth.

It’s going to be difficult. There will be certain things that will be shocking, but we need to have this full disclosure. And, Michael, again, I told you before, I think you are the finest writer in the field of exopolitics in that you’re very grounded. You lend a sympathetic ear and you maintain your integrity as a journalist.

And I think the more enlightened and aware people out there who can do that as we move forward, we just seeing a massive explosion now of this information. It’s getting to go . . . It’s going viral, but it’s still fringy and there’s a lot of people who want to get involved very quickly and come up to speed, but they don’t have the wisdom and experience or discernment so sometimes the storyline is not as grounded to many people . . . It’ll all happen in it’s own sweet time.

Dr. Salla: Yes, it’s definitely something that’s mushrooming. There’s a snowball effect here. I’ve noticed there just seems to be more and more people being drawn to this field – the Secret Space Programs. It certainly is something that people have more attention for.

coreywelcomesWell, Corey is going to be the featured speaker at your August Secret Space Program conference. Now, what can the public expect to hear from him and how interactive is it going to be for the audience and the speakers?

Rob: Well, the great thing is, Michael, you are coming as well. So you have, besides David Wilcock, you have the most insider contact with Corey and are dialoguing with him in regards to the history.

Now, Corey has kind of been thrust into this position. He’s an empath. I think he’s becoming more comfortable speaking, but he has kind of a shy side. And the great thing is you’re going to be able to lay the groundwork for him and I offered for him to do a presentation. I’m not sure what he’s going to present. But, we will be having at least four hours with Corey on Saturday and Sunday, which will include – and he’ll be there Friday night too – direct questions from the audience.

We’re going to hand out 3×5 cards, and we’re going to vet them for the more interesting questions. But I’m expecting a 150 to 160 people, if all goes well.

You can write multiple questions. And we’re going to vet them a little bit. They need to kind of be on point. And we’re going to have some great questions and let Corey answer them. We’ll probably have a microphone for follow-up questions, but it gets kind of time delay. So I think I’m going to read the questions directly to Corey on stage there.

Corey has a wonderful team around him. We’re going to have it professionally video-taped and sound. And I’ve tried to do this several times, but I think this time we’re really going to pull off a great recording for people who can’t make it to actually see it. The live stream energy won’t be there, but I think we’re going to pull it off this time. We cannot live stream unfortunately, folks. It’s deep in the forest and there’s no cell phone or Internet connection there.

So I think we can look forward to wonderful conversations with Corey on stage. He did say he wants to, for those involved in the Disclosure Project . . . Some of the primary people will be meeting there for the first time. And I think we’re going to have a private luncheon or two for those people who are involved in wanting to become part of the general populace to serve the awakening to the general populace – they’re our brothers and sisters.

This is real. We’re not fringe. We’re not crazies. And this needs to be revealed to the public. At the very least we’re going to get free energy and get rid of nuclear power.

Andrew Basiago says teleportation devices come in pretty quick. There’s lots of toys that can come from that, but for me, it’s an understanding of liberation and letting the truth come out. Let those Nazis go ahead and keep their little program and do their thing and we’re going to surpass them because we’re oriented in love, fellowship, unity and the common good of all.

Dr. Salla: About a month ago you did an interview with both Corey Goode and Cobra. So what did you learn from the interview? What are the highlights? What were the main lessons for those wanting to corroborate information about Secret Space Programs?

Rob: Well, one of the things I learned is that they’re both extremely busy. Just coordinately that thing took me three months on time. Corey is . . .  a good family man and he takes his family life seriously and it was hard to get them together, but . . . And I love Cobra. I’ve supported him for years. I have, you know, some differences of opinion a little bit here and there. I’m a little more . . . I’m very comfortable with the word ‘God’. I don’t think it’s a machine. I think it’s a living, loving creation and certain aspects of the spiritual lineages of Light, I think, are important.

But this was a very Secret Space Program-oriented one. When I normally give an interview, I have a conversation with Cobra or something, and a lot of people think I’m just an interviewer and that’s not my personal style.

I have my own experience and I want . . . I use the interview to educate myself. So I generally have conversations and give backgrounds to questions that the audience wouldn’t know if I was to say, “Hey, Bob Renaud said this and . . .”

Unless there’s a background, people don’t get it. So usually do that. For this interview, due to them both asking the same questions, I was very regimented and disciplined and I asked direct questions to both of them.

And what I was trying to get from that interview, was a spiritual aspect to what’s going on with the good guys. Corey talks about it, but his information has been woefully – at least what I’ve seen so far – not sharing benevolent contact. It’s like we’re getting a birdseye view, but we really don’t know what they’re talking about.

We see these good guys doing this and that, but there’s really no personal . . . like Alex Collier’s very personal interactions with Morenae and Vysayus. How he’s feeling and what they’re thinking about us is bereft in Corey’s dialogue. It’s mostly very much like, “I went up there and I did this and that.” He’s not briefed on where he is going or anything so it is tough for him. So I was trying to get more of that from Corey.

And Cobra shared that side of his knowledge of the Confederation, and Corey and them basically supported each other in a lot of information in regards to the control Matrix and the technology that’s used.

They had some differences in views in what Corey calls the artificial intelligence and Cobra calls the primary anomaly in regards to it being a technology or a universal natural source. And I had to side with Cobra on that in that I feel that it is a technology that is run by, let’s call them, powerful fallen beings in direct opposition to what is considered universal law and order.

And this is something that’s still not clear to us. We’re beginning to see the differences here and we probably won’t get clarity and all of us are going to have, “Oh, I really didn’t see that one coming,” as contact, first contact, moves to the forefront and open, transparent interplanetary culture exchange takes place as oppose to the piecemeal stuff when we finally do get our benevolent Elohim, Seraphim, Family and the various non-material and material beings openly communicating it will be clearer.  When our interaction history with various groups and the timelines are laid bare to us as a populace through open disclosure. Even through the United Nations, albeit a readjusted United Nations, Then with a open and free mass media that’s not controlled and we can actually judge for ourselves. And, of course, there’ll be face-to-face contacts.

We really just need to be sure that when it’s done it’s done properly. I would really suspect that if disclosure, ETs, are presented to us from Obama and the Queen of England, I’m really going to . . . I would have to agree with Alex that it’s a false flag introduction that may come forward.

I know they have plans for that. They’ve had a lot of plans that haven’t come through, though, so it’s very possible that the good guys may be able at some point to directly intervene when it’s safe enough to reveal the truth to humanity. And we can decide on our own and be happy and not happy with some of our historical contacts and get it cleared up. What’s the difference between the Sumerian’s contact and the Atlantean time.

And the Biblical stories have to be put into perspective of what’s happening – the men of renown, David and Goliath, the giant cyclops. All those kinds of things will be cleared up and we’ll definitely probably get a book of who’s who from where and how long they’ve been here and their histories and struggles to become a super civilization, and we’ll take our place amongst the stars as brothers and sisters and equals with our space family out there.

It’s an exciting time, but it’s confusing. Keep your hands and arms inside the spaceship at all times.

lauraeisenhowersDr. Salla: Well, one of the other presenters is going to be Laura Eisenhower, the great-granddaughter of President Eisenhower. So why is her information important for learning about Secret Space Programs? And what are we going to hear from her?

Rob: Well, I love her. I like to call her a tigress for the Light. She is enthusiastic. She’s deep metaphysical and I actually spoke with one of my upstairs contacts the other day – upstairs, downstairs kind of thing – and they said she definitely brings the divine feminine and the Sophia energies and has a deep understanding of the mystical and religious and spiritual experience.

William James . . . all spiritual and mystical experiences have certain things in common they are transcendental  are ineffable. You can’t talk about them. They’re transcendental in nature. And this is the aspect that goes beyond reason. It’s kind of like a swoon. It’s like a direct feeling consciousness. It’s kind of like, how can you explain what happens when really good music hits your soul? It touches you. It just moves you.

I mean, you could say, “Well, the resonance of the sound vibrations effect the typhonic membrane etc.” Some times you know, you’ve got to get into the feeling and that’s where the women come in. Men are centered in reason and women consciousness is centered in feeling. The grey matter in the brain, and you have grey matter in your diaphragm, and if you, huh, huh, you watch and athlete when they pant from that kind of animalistic diaphragm, that’s the center of feeling at the tip of the breastbone and that’s where women are typically very much more in tune than the masculine.

Not that men aren’t aware or can’t be with feeling and women can’t have giant intellects and be super intelligent, but until we integrate those aspects within ourselves in a positive way, the women are very in tune with feeling. Sometimes men think it’s too much and don’t acknowledge feeling and women think we’re just thick idiots because we’re not processing information from the grey matter in our diaphragm.

Laura has . . . her bona fides by her genetic grandfather and her being approached by the Secret Space Program on Mars as well . Her and I are the same way when it comes to sometimes stream of consciousness talking and all of her views on the government. She goes right to the point . . . I mean, false flags, media control, vaccinations. She’s like me, just bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp. We align on almost everything.

And she is . . . got the heart space too. And women need a voice. I really am impressed and love her to death.

I’ve been trying to get her to come for years and I’m just so happy she can come this year. We’re looking forward to some great stuff from her.

Dr. Salla: Right. Well, in my presentation, I’m going to be covering a lot of the material from William Tompkins. One of the things I’ve found really very supportive coming from him was how much his information dovetails with Corey Goode’s. Bill actually read my book, Insider’s Reveal Secret Space Programs . . . a lot of it is based on Corey’s testimony. And he was really shocked at how much it matched with his own experiences in going back, right back to 1942 when he was working with the U.S. Navy… He finished working with the Navy League, [after leaving] the aerospace industry, around the year of 2000.

So it’s synchronicity and corroboration there, and what Tompkins brings in is a lot of documents, a lot of credible people, that actually support his testimony, or support him as a witness. One of the things that I did was I was able to track down a couple of the Navy officers that actually worked with Bill Tompkins when he was up in Medford, Oregon, not all that far from the Mt. Shasta area.

Navy League Special ProjectsAnd actually there’s an interesting connection there with Mt. Shasta. It’s that . . . these [two] Navy officers said that Tompkins was the real deal. He was talking about extraterrestrials and that Tompkins was in charge of these special projects. Tompkins had a document basically showing that the Navy League actually was discussing these special projects. And he discussed some of them.

But one of the special projects that I thought was very interesting was that he said that a lot of the mainly retired Navy officers and the reserve Navy officers there … were pilots. And so one of the special projects was to actually track extraterrestrial visitors, or more correctly we’d say, just the flying saucers, that were entering and leaving Mt. Shasta.

That they observed these hidden entryways into Mt. Shasta. And so they had these planes up there trying to find out where the ETs were entering and leaving, and I think some of those might have been Earth civilizations. That they also actually had these off-road vehicles going up Mt. Shasta to find out, or to … find these hidden entryways.

So definitely there’s this very interesting connection with Shasta. So I’ll be talking about his information.

But what I find very encouraging with William Tompkins coming forward now . . . a year after Randy Cramer first came forward and then Corey Goode came forward in September of 2014. Then in December of last year, Bill Tompkins book appears, “Selected by Extraterrestrials”.

It seems to me, that this is part of [an orchestrated plan]. . . I mean you couldn’t plan it better, because in a way, Randy Cramer, Corey Goode, present their experience, but they have no documents. There’s no kind of professional aspect of who they are as individuals in terms of education, careers, that support, directly supports, their testimony. But they put the story out.

And then a little bit later you have Bill Tompkins coming on the scene supporting what Corey has said, what Randy Cramer has said. But in Tompkins case, he actually has the background, the professional background. He has the documentation, the corroborating witness testimony.

So what I think is happening here, it’s almost like there’s this divine script happening, because there’s a lot of professional people that say, “Ah, Corey Goode and Randy Cramer, you know, nonsense. Where’s the hard evidence?”

Those same people, when you present the data with William Tompkins, they’re eyes pop out … they say, “Well, really?” Well, this guy’s the real deal. And he’s actually supporting what Corey has said, what Randy has said.

So I think what Tompkins does is he opens it up to a much wider audience and to me it’s like this is really an incredibly divinely scripted process where these Secret Space Program whistleblowers start coming out, each one supporting what the other one has said, but opening it up to a slightly new audience because of their own backgrounds.

Rob: Absolutely, and you are a primary part of that. I want to go back to the Shasta thing a little bit. Back in the ’50s there was a road called Military Pass, and the government, they have an underground base there.

Andrew Basiago said that there’s obviously a giant command center there. They’re watching. They’re impotent. They could take their tunnel boring machines, and I promise you they have, and they’ve gone nowhere. They get stopped. The machines will overheat. They just won’t start. They’ve given up, I’m pretty sure, on any attempt to breach the Inner Earth civilization there, which I believe is completely benevolent.

If you’ve lived there for any period of time, if I have girlfriends that come close with me and they want evidence, eventually they show up and Shasta was one of the more particularly profound displays. I was with a girl and she wanted to believe and all this kind of stuff. She was kind of an atheist. She had a spiritual experience, and then she came back and was questioning me and we were over at Lake Siskiyou there and a large, golden disc went from the top of Mt. Shasta, kind of swooped down over the town, moving at a high rate of speed, and came right by us and she was like, “What was that?”

And I go, “What do you think it was?”

“Ah, ah . . .”

I said, “Maybe it was an eagle carrying a gold coin reflected from the sunlight.” You know, and she finally is just like laughed and she got it. There’s lots of stuff up there and if you have an open mind and an open heart, you’re going to see phenomenon. And the focus is not phenomenon. The focus is, “Who’s inside there? What are they doing? What is their thinking?” And if we process this information on your own over time, “How can they move so fast?” and all this stuff. Then you go into the other Secret Space Program, which is the benevolent contactees that have been on-going and paralleling the government’s program.

The interesting thing about William Tompkins is also his direct interaction with what he calls the Nordics. Who they are, but, you know, I think he’s protected. He’s 93 years old. I was a little concerned about his age and we talked about having him come, but I might have made a mistake in not bringing him, but you can certainly share his information and maybe we can get him to come up as a personal visit, a journey.

But it certainly seems a very, very powerful aspect to have this synchronistic back up, and I agree with you 100% that this is a divinely orchestrated in a synchronistic way. And the mass media just can’t stop it.

Dr. Salla: Right. Well, I’m really looking forward to the conference and presenting some of the incredible information that is coming out now. It really is picking up. There seems to be this kind of incoming of galactic energies, a heightening of awareness, the raising of vibrations, frequencies. People seem to be more open to various possibilities. So I’m very interested in presenting some of that material that I’ve got. I’ve been learning from Corey, from Bill Tompkins, and others.

So in terms of the conference logistics, how do people learn about it and how do they register?

Rob: Well, they can go to your website,  and to my website, , I’m having a migration to my new site and I’ve been hacked, emails. Some weird stuff going on right now that is not functioning, But there’s plenty of seats left. Just go there and choose. You can camp on-site or off-site, if you like.

And we’ll probably have some two-day passes available towards the end near the conference date but at this point they’re not available. It’s a three-day event. Folks, you want to intend to stay all three days.

I’m think about having Laura Eisenhower kind of be our top speaker or ending speaker on Sunday night and lead a nice spiritual closing to all of our kind of intellectual, historical and these technological space program information. So she’s going to probably be closing it out before dinner on Sunday night.

We have great food there. We have dinners and then we have two fire circles that can be opened. And people just have a blast out there, singing and talking, dancing and playing music and the forest is so beautiful and the moonlight and a lot of the fun takes place in between the speakers, at the lunches, at the lake. And in the evening time especially, I have a world-class jazz musician, Clive Stevens, coming. This brother played at the World Jazz Day. He plays with people like Stan Getz, the Marsalis brothers, Herbie Hancock. He’s top-notch, world-class, and he’s going to be presenting some very high-end music as well as Ryan Marchand.

So we have some fun times in the evening, some cool slide shows. It’s going to be a blast. So check it out at Michael’s site. You can check it out on and type in ‘Shasta Summer Conference Part 2 [or click here]

It’s on my website under ‘Upcoming Events’. Just get your ticket. They are going much faster than any other conference I’ve ever had. We still have tickets, but if you’re coming, you might want to make your plans. I suggest people maybe look into, if you’re on a budget and want to stay in a hotel, you can get the Motel 6. It’s a 40-minutes drive each day, but camping – it’s a bit rustic up there. But we do have showers, toilets and food, and a very nice hall.

Thank you, so much, Michael. It’s been an honor to be with you here today.

Dr. Salla: Well, thanks, Rob. Aloha, and I look forward to catching up at Mt. Shasta.

Rob: All right, folks. We’ll see you up there. And God bless you all.


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Part 1- Ancient Wisdom Teachings – July 29-31

Part 2 – The Secret Space Program – Aug 26-28

Military Abduction craft (chemical interrogation)  - article[Continued from Part 1] At the same time the Soviet Union had deployed Cosmospheres in the 1970’s that competed with the National Reconnaissance Office and USAF for domination of the space around Earth, the U.S. Navy was developing its own secret space program called Solar Warden, which used huge cigar shaped spacecraft equipped with antigravity and temporal technology for distant off world operations.

Former aerospace engineer, William Tompkins, has disclosed that he provided the initial designs for these kilometer long secret space craft in a secret think tank at Douglas Aircraft Company in the 1950’s. According to both Corey Goode and Tompkins, Solar Warden became operational in the 1980’s and was highly compartmentalized, and therefore unknown to most USAF Space Command/NRO/Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) personnel who were told the vehicles in deep space or remote locations like Antarctica they were monitoring were merely prototype craft being tested.

Goode additionally explains that most NRO/USAF Space Command/DIA personnel are unaware of the Secret Space Program Alliance (an alliance between the Solar Warden program and defectors from other secret space programs), whose operations Goode has been disclosing since late 2014.

Apparently, some of the intelligence released by Goode over the last 18 months about secret space programs, was accurate enough to come to the attention of the “lower level secret space program,” as he described it, run by the NRO/USAF/DIA. Subsequently, he was subjected to a military abduction by one or more of these agencies, which he briefly described in his May 14 update:

Military abductions conducted by operatives of one or more unacknowledged programs occur. Chemical interrogation tactics are implemented. Body fluid and hair samples were taken, words and phrases were read off of a tablet to attempt to ascertain if I was a current asset of a known UNSAP [Unacknowledged Special Access Program].

While briefing me on June 15, Goode stated that he experienced a total of three different military abductions on a spacecraft that was clearly less advanced than those belonging to the SSP Alliance. The abductions happened during the period from January to February 2016.

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Artist depiction of room in spacecraft where chemical interrogations occurred.

I asked Goode why he wasn’t protected by the “Sphere Being Alliance” (advanced extraterrestrials belonging to a Type III civilization), since they had previously intervened during an alleged incident on Mars that he described in a report back in June 2015.

Goode said that the Sphere Being Alliance will only intervene when his safety is in serious jeopardy, and not at other times since there are lessons to be learned for all involved. In the case of “negative experiences”, he says, these might have a larger purpose such as completing operational goals.

I also asked him why the SSP Alliance, which has superior technologies and clearances, couldn’t just tell the lower level SSP’s to back off, and not abduct Alliance operatives. Goode said that just before the time of his military abductions the ability of the SSP Alliance to conduct operations on Earth had been stopped, since they were denied clearance by the air and space traffic control at the Lunar Operations Center (LOC), as described in Part 1

Goode’s interrogators could not find any information about him in their databases which is not surprising given the level of compartmentalization involved in the different classified programs. He said that all his records were scrubbed upon returning to civilian life in 1986 after being age regressed and sent back in time after he completed his 20 year tour of duty in 2007.

During one of Goode’s interrogations, attempts were made to brainwash him into believing that extraterrestrials weren’t real and that the “higher level space programs” he was discussing – Solar Warden, Interplanetary Corporate Conglomerate and Dark Fleet – did not exist.

During an interrogation, he also said that chemicals were used to get him to involuntarily reveal three high level operatives working within the Secret Space Program (SSP) Alliance:

A tablet with a camera was held in front of my face and academy type military photos were shown to me. The camera monitored my eyes and marked a photograph when it was detected that I recognized the person. This incident caused the outing of 3 high ranking SSP Alliance individuals and caused a further rift between myself, Gonzales and the SSP Alliance. Because of the chemical interrogation and the attempted blank slating of my memories of the incidents, I didn’t remember the full details until I was informed later of the security breach.

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Artistic depiction of Goode under chemical interrogation where he involuntarily outs SSP operatives

One of the outed SSP Alliance individuals has subsequently dissappeared, another has been captured by the “lower level SSP”, and the third was Gonzales – Goode’s primary contact with the SSP Alliance.

Due to his involuntary ‘outing’ by Goode, Gonzales had to leave his civilian “cover” identity in Texas, and quickly found refuge with one of the Inner Earth civilizations called the ‘Anshar’, which he and Goode had previously met with on several occasions.

In particular, Goode had formed a special bond with an Anshar high priestess called “Kaaree”, with whom he experienced a mind-meld back in September 2015:

Gonzales had been staying with the Anshar for weeks with no explanation. I was receiving briefings from both Gonzales and Kaaree during this timeframe.

Next, Goode refers to the period immediately after Gonzales was outed, sometime in March 2016. Goode, describing one of the locations where Gonzales traveled to during his stay with the Anshar:

One of these briefings included information about a couple of recent trips that Gonzales and Kaaree made to an “Outpost” of working “Ancient Builder Race” technology, below the surface of Venus. Gonzales was turned away by the beings that inhabited that outpost. They then traveled to a temporal anomaly and embassy type space station in the vicinity of Saturn that I had attended Super Federation meetings at in the vicinity of Jupiter. There were no craft or occupants on this station other than the same beings encountered at the Venus outpost. Gonzales was turned away from there too. Later, Kaaree informed me that Gonzales had worked to make sure I was disinvited from these two trips. It was soon after this that I found out that Gonzales was one of the 3 people that was revealed during my chemical interrogation.

Goode says that the reason Gonzales had been turned away from the Venus outpost was because he [Goode] was not present. It is likely the “Venusians” were aware that Goode had been appointed delegate to the Sphere Being Alliance, and viewed his absence as awry.

Then Goode went on to explain what happened when he was taken to Venus, around May 13:

Kaaree takes me to visit the Working Ancient Builder Race Outpost on Venus. We arrive and are met by a giant, long narrow craft that had a blast shield over the windows of what would be the bridge of their craft. We sat there for about 20 minutes before Kaaree told me we had been turned back. As I looked I could see several other of these large narrow craft around Venus, with their noses pointed down toward the surface and the rear of the vessels pointing away from the planet into space. While waiting, Kaaree and I spoke about a few individuals, as well as how concerned the Anshar are with people actively reaching out for them mentally yet receiving contact from other beings.

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Artistic depiction showing Goode’s bus-like spacecraft being intercepted and prevented from traveling to Venus by giant kilometer long cylinder space craft.

The final information Goode shared relates to the Anshar. He says that they have requested a change to a treaty between all major extraterrestrial groups and Inner Earth Civilizations concerning open contact with humanity:

The reason the Anshar requested the meeting to make changes to the treaty is that they were considering a more active role with the surface populations. They are keeping an eye on the highly programmed nature of humanity and our response to knowing the Anshar exist. They have been troubled by some of the signs they have seen and some of their group has raised these concerns in their recent council meetings.

Back on May 14, Goode described a forthcoming meeting (since held) between different extraterrestrial and Inner Earth groups for a new treaty:

Kaaree informed me that Gonzales had informed her that the Anshar request for a meeting over requested ratifications to a treaty that was agreed to by all of the major ET players in the Solar System including those we would consider negative. This meeting is said to be occurring imminently.

In his June 15 briefing to me, Goode explained that the current treaty is referred to as the “Muhammad Accords” since it dates back to the time of the Prophet Muhammad (570-632 AD). Further Goode added that prior to the “Muhammad Accords,” extraterrestrials and Inner Earth civilizations openly interacted with surface humanity.

It was decided that in order for surface humanity to evolve, open contact would end, and that extraterrestrials and Inner Earth civilizations would no longer openly intervene in human affairs.

Goode then said that the meeting referred to by Kaaree had been held, and the request for a new treaty had been opposed by the Draconian Federation – the dominant Reptilian extraterrestrial species in our galaxy, and other “Saurian” or Reptilian groups. According to Goode, both he and Gonzales had in mid-2015 met with the leader of the Draconian Federation in our sector of the Galaxy, a 14 foot Royal White Draco, as part of ongoing negotiations over full disclosure.

Due to the need for consensus among all the adherents to the original treaty, there consequently would not be a new treaty at this point. Kaaree said this was unlikely to be the end of the matter, but more likely the first step in a drawn out negotiation process.

Goode stated that he last met Raw Teir Eir on June 10, and was told that incoming cosmic energies are dramatically ramping up energy levels for the sun, solar system and the entire planet. People and groups are being easily triggered, which helps explains the elite exodus to Antarctica described in Part One, and upsurge of violent extremism around the planet.

While some may be greatly concerned over the possibility of a solar kill shot as predicted by remote viewers such as Major Ed Dames, it’s important to emphasize that this is merely one of many possible futures.

Previously Goode has said that according to Raw Teir Eir, the future and the kind of disclosure humanity is going to experience, will be determined by the collective consciousness and how well we react to unfolding events around us.

Goode has summarized the optimal response to an uncertain future in what describes as “the Message”:

Every day focus on becoming more “Service To Others” oriented. Focus on being more “Loving” and “Focus on raising your Vibrational and Consciousness Level” and to learn to “Forgive Yourself and Others” (thus “Releasing Karma”). This will change the Vibration of the Planet, the “Shared Consciousness of Humanity” and “Change Humanity One Person at a time” (even if that “One Person” is yourself.).

At a time of great change where global elites are finding refugee in remote locations amidst uncertainty over what the future holds for them, and extraterrestrials debate over whether to openly make contact, the choice is ours over what the future holds for us. We must remember the power of love and forgiveness in opening up positive possibilities for us all, including that of a peaceful full disclosure of the SSPs and extraterrestrial alliances that can greatly expand and enrich human destiny.

Click here for Part I.

Special Note: I wish to thank Corey Goode and associated artists for kindly supplying the graphics illustrating his June 15 personal briefing.

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Further Reading

Chevron battle article bannerOn June 15, I received an informal “briefing” by secret space program whistleblower, Corey Goode, about recent events that include an aerial battle over Antarctica involving various syndicate groups (Cabal/Illuminati) that had over the last six months fled there, and also the current status of negotiations involving different extraterrestrial and “Inner Earth” civilizations over “open contact” with humanity.

What follows will appear fantastic to those new to Goode’s revelations, which he has been releasing over the last 18 months. A detailed resource page has been created listing most of Goode’s interviews, reports, videos, along with articles about him.

My own detailed investigation of Goode was released in the book, Insiders Reveal Secret Space Programs and Extraterrestrial Alliances (Sept 2015). My conclusion was that Goode is genuine, and so I consider his June 15 ‘briefing” to be a very significant disclosure of recent events involving secret space programs that have transpired over the last few months.

Goode released a short update of recent events in bullet point form on May 14. In his June 15 briefing with me, he gave more details about this update, answered questions about what had occurred, and provided artist depictions of some of the events he was describing.

The May 14 update by Goode described an exodus of elite groups to South America and Antarctica:

Reports came in for approximately 6 months that high level syndicate groups were moving huge amounts of personal items and supplies to South American underground bases most noted in Brazil. More recent reports stated actual family members and high ranking syndicate members were pouring into these underground bases like ants before a storm.

Goode elaborated in his June 15 briefing that what the syndicate groups (global elites/Cabal/Illuminati) feared was huge solar storms predicted to hit the Earth. The so-called “solar killshot” long predicted by the remote viewer, Ed Dames, was imminent according to him in an interview on March 21, 2016.

The syndicate groups could not easily leave the Earth for refuge on off-planet locations due to a recent lockdown on airspace on and around Earth by what Goode describes as the “lower level SSP” comprising the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO), USAF Space Command, etc. The latter had deployed technology establishing an “Earth Defense Grid” coordinated from an “air (and space) traffic control” established on the Moon (Lunar Operations Command – LOC).

He said the LOC is currently controlled by the Interplanetary Corporate Conglomerate which is coordinating with the lower level SSP’s. The latter were instructed not to clear SSP Alliance flights into Earth’s air space.

The syndicate groups chose to flee instead to Antarctica/South America where underground locations provided some safety. The following graphic illustrates one of the six industrial areas under the Antarctic ice near the Ross Sea with parked spacecraft.The fumes coming out of the ground is from abundant thermal energy used as a power source.

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Coincidently, President Obama visited Bariloche, Argentina on March 24, which had become the unofficial headquarters of the “Fourth Reich” when Adolf Hitler fled there after World War II. The Nazi U-boat historian, Harry Cooper, found credible sources establishing Bariloche as Hitler’s refuge in his book, Hitler in Argentina.

In February 1960, President Eisenhower traveled to Bariloche where he negotiated the Joint Declaration of Bariloche with the Argentinian President concerning Peace and Freedom in the Americas. The real topic of negotiations, however, allegedly concerned deals which would further put the U.S. Military Industrial Complex firmly under the control of the Fourth Reich.

This alliance led to the emergence of the Interplanetary Corporate Conglomerate (ICC), one of the secret space programs revealed by Goode, which was now in charge of the Nazi bases in Antarctica. Therefore it is more than likely that President Obama’s visit to Bariloche, was to finalize new deals with the ICC/Nazis, which would facilitate their desire to move large number of people and cargo to safe locations in South America and Antarctica.

Goode’s May 14 update went on to describe huge submarines used to transport people and cargo to Antarctica as revealed to him by a “Lt. Col. Gonzales,” who has worked closely with Goode over the last year in secret negotiations and meetings involving different space programs and extraterrestrial alliances:

Gonzales later confirmed that these people and supplies were in many cases being transported to Antarctica via “Black Submarines” that were “EM Driven” and the “size of container ships”. The water filled subterranean rift systems are so incredibly enormous that they have no trouble on their journey. Furthermore, the reports stated that the rift caverns had been modified into massive arched tunnels in ancient times.

Goode supplied various artist depictions of one of the doorways into the vast water filled tunnel systems throughout South America and Antarctica used by the elites that extend all the way from Mexico, through South America, and down into Antarctica.

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He said that there were six large industrial complexes located in the Western Antarctic region. The two largest complexes were city-sized and about two miles wide.

He provided an illustration for the location of these bases that he was personally taken to visit by the “Anshar” on May 14. Goode has previously described the Anshar as the oldest of the Inner Earth civilizations that he has met in secret negotiations – alleged dating as far back as 18 million years.

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Map of Antarctica with circles depicting location of industrial complexes, and their relative sizes

Further, he stated that he saw the secret Antarctic cities while traveling on an Anshar space craft that flew about 60 feet above the surface of the ocean directly into what looked like an Antarctic ice cliff, but which in reality was a hologram hiding the entrance to one of these cities. Goode saw large buildings, and two huge black submarines used to transport people and cargo to Antarctica being unloaded by giant cranes.

These large industrial complexes had first been established in the 1930’s by Nazi Germany, according to Goode, and subsequently expanded in the 1950’s and after agreements had been reached with the Eisenhower administration and the U.S. Military Industrial Complex. Currently, these six Antarctica bases are used by the Interplanetary Corporate Conglomerate, one of the secret space programs identified by Goode.

He then described in his May 14 update, a battle that had taken place over Antarctica:

One of the most interesting things that came out of this briefing [by Gonzales now safely located at a secret Kuiper Belt base] was that there had recently been reports of 6 large cruisers (teardrop shaped) were in the process of leaving the atmosphere after breaking the surface of the ocean near the coast of Antarctica. Dozens of “Unknown Chevron Craft” swarmed these cruisers and attacked the leading two craft causing massive and shocking damage. The cruisers broke off their attempts to leave orbit returning to below the surface of the ocean where they came from.

Goode has provided an illustration of the battle that took place. He told me that the teardrop shaped cruisers belonged to the syndicate groups who were aligned with the “Dark Fleet” – a space program first established in Antarctica by Nazi Germany/German Secret Societies – which later allied itself with the U.S. Military Industrial Complex.

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He added that the SSP Alliance were not sure who the chevron shaped spacecraft belonged to, but the speculation was that they were linked to the “Earth Alliance,” a consortium of “White Hats” from various national militaries working closely with the BRICS nations.

According to Goode, the Antarctic battle was not an isolated incident:

There has been a major uptick in conflicts just outside and within our atmosphere between craft of various groups that have involved the shoot down of a number of craft.

Gonzales reported dozens of underground/ocean conflicts that have involved the use of exotic weapons as well as an uptick in the use of weather modification weapons by both the various syndicates and elements of the Earth Alliance.

Events in Antarctica were being monitored closely by different nations and/or space programs. Goode described huge spherical craft over Antarctica that appeared to be conducting surveillance operations:

Reports came in for approximately 6 weeks detailing “huge spherical craft” in geostationary orbit above the continent of Antarctica. These reports came from 5 different sources and described the spheres as being huge, metallic, shiny with one row of portholes going around the sphere. One speculated that these craft were of Russian origin.

Goode then explained that the craft were operating over large areas of the Southern Hemisphere, including Australia.

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It’s possible that the craft are related to the “Cosmospheres” allegedly developed by the Soviet Union, which are described at length in the Peter Beter audio files. Beter was the General Counsel of the Export-Import Bank (1961-67), and had high level sources who confided to him what was happening behind the scenes in space up to the early 1980’s.

The Cosmospheres established Soviet weapons dominance in near Earth orbit, where they had military skirmishes with craft belonging to the USAF Space Command and NRO, which according to Goode, operate to about 400 miles above the Earth, and occasionally sent their most advanced craft to the Moon.  

It is therefore very likely that the large spherical objects observing the Antarctic space battles were indeed Cosmospheres now under the control of President Putin and the Russian Federation. It is feasible that they provided intelligence used by the chevron shaped spacecraft that intercepted and turned back the larger teardrop shaped craft leaving with their likely global elite passengers.

Click here for Part II.

Special Note: I wish to thank Corey Goode and associated artists for kindly supplying the graphics illustrating his June 15 personal briefing.

[Update: 6/17/16. The article was revised to clarify that the Lunar Operations Center, under control of the ICCP, had denied clearance for SSP Alliance flights to Earth.]

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Further Reading

What follows is the transcript of William Tompkins responding to questions on the third ExoNews TV episode (see above) presenting his testimony.

Interview Date: February 25, 2016

Location: San Diego, California

Published on ExoNews TV – 4/14/16

 

Interview Key:

WT: William Tompkins

RW- Dr. Robert Wood

MS – Dr. Michael Salla

[For introduction and analysis of Tompkins Testimony click here]

MS – The following interview extract features Tompkins answering questions from Dr. Robert Wood and myself on Germany’s Space program in Antarctica. …

Did the Navy Spies talk about the Nazis landing on the Moon, landing on Mars?

WT – The operatives found this data and they bring it back to the Admiral’s secret office at the top of the building. You can see the building from when you land over at North Island. These fellows were all over the occupied areas in Germany, and they found all of this equipment. They found the program for extended life. That wasn’t really an extended life. It was a life program that the extraterrestrials were already doing.

RW – Did the Nazis have this technology?

WT – Yes, it was no big deal at all….

The move from Germany to Antarctica was in operation from 1934 [Note: The Third German Antarctic Expedition occurred in 1938-1939] way before the war started. In fact some of the stuff went down in 1913 [Note: The Second German Antarctic Expedition was from 1911-1913]. Large portions of equipment went sent down there. But right next to them were three tremendous size caverns which the Reptilians had. Not Grays, but Reptilians. Germany got two more, about a tenth the size of the big Reptilians [cavern]. They were able to … [go] down, usually by submarine. They built these flat submarines, these regular class, so they could ship all this stuff down. Here they were shipping stuff down, right after the turn of the century.

Whether they had convinced themselves that they didn’t care or they weren’t interested in the war, whatever it was, like the Vril Society, they had almost 90 percent of everything that it takes to build extraterrestrial vehicles, whether they were saucers or cigars.

They had that down to Antarctica by 1932. Some of it was going down. Not the main programs, but they had copies of everything that was necessary to build these. They were building these, in production, all over the occupied countries. The production facilities were [using] slave labor… The German population didn’t know anything about this. It was all classified.

RW – Were the UFOs [built] in Germany or down in Antarctica?

WT  – The people in Germany knew nothing about it. In Antarctica they knew everything.

RW – Where were the UFOs, the craft, being built? In Germany?

WT – They built the prototypes in Germany. They built pre-protype, something which is ready for production, in Antarctica. They put this stuff in production in the countries all over Germany [Occupied Europe], and they continued to build similar vehicles in Antarctica…

Now the question was asked whether did we ever get to the Moon? You see it was in some way, it was well known that the Germans had a number of vehicles that flew out and came back. One of the first ones, they got into trouble, they crashed and the whole group died. But that was almost all coming from Antarctica. Way before, four years before, the war ended, they were always moving all of this stuff out. And so the flights, almost everything came from Antarctica with the same people.

MS – So during the war years, from Antarctica the Germans were basically launching these craft, the Moon was one of many destinations they tried [reaching].

WT – Yes, I don’t know if it was true or not, but it was stated by some of those fellows [Navy spies] that they had gone to other stars and come back.

MS – So that would be corroboration that the so called Andromeda Device which was based on some principle of teleportation actually was viable that they were able to use the Andromeda Device to get to other star systems like Alderbaran, and come back?

WT – Yes …

MS – In the next episode of ExoNews TV, we will hear from William Tompkins how the Nazis used slave labor in their hidden Antarctic bases, and that the Italian government had also developed a flying saucer program headed by the famous inventor, Gugliemo Marconi that was secretly operating out of hidden South American locations.

END TRANSCRIPT


Previous ExoNews TV Interviews with William Tompkins

US Navy Spies Learned of Nazi Alliance with Reptilian Extraterrestrials during WWII (for transcript click here, for introductory article click here )

Navy Disseminated Nazi Antigravity Secrets to Leading U.S. Companies & Think Tanks (for transcript click here, for introductory article click here )

Related Books

William Tompkins autobiography, Selected by Extraterrestrials, is available at Amazon.com

Michael Salla’s Insiders Reveal Secret Space Programs and Extraterrestrial Life is available at Amazon.com

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1 Title Antarctica Nazis

In the run up to World War II, German secret societies and the Nazi SS were guided to three large caverns in Antarctica by Reptilian extraterrestrials, according to former U.S. Navy intelligence operative William Tompkins. In his latest ExoNews TV interview, released today, Tompkins describes how the Reptilians helped the Germans/Nazis build underground bases in remote Antarctic caverns, which were located next to even larger caverns controlled by the Reptilians.

According to Tompkins, the U.S. Navy learned of the existence of these secret Antarctic bases from their spies embedded in Nazi Germany, who found that the Nazis/Germans used these remote bases to launch space missions to the Moon, other planets in our solar system, and, most remarkably, to distant interstellar locations.

Tompkins says that the Germans began moving equipment and supplies to Antarctica as early as 1913, which coincides historically with the Second German Antarctic Expedition from 1911-1913. This period also coincides with the increasing role of German secret societies in exploring remote global locations for occult knowledge.

The movement of equipment accelerated in the lead up to World War II. In his interview, Tompkins cites 1934 as the beginning of this acceleration, even though historical records point to 1938 as the launch of the Third German Antarctic Expedition:

The move from Germany to Antarctica was in operation from 1934 way before the war started. In fact some of the stuff went down in 1913.

In last week’s ExoNews TV episode, Tompkins revealed that secret agreements had been reached between Hitler’s regime and Draconian Reptilians. In this week’s episode he discussed one of the major elements of this agreement:

Large portions of equipment were sent down there. But right next to them were three tremendous size caverns which the Reptilians had. Not Grays, but Reptilians. Germany got two more, about a tenth the size of the big Reptilians [cavern]. They were able to … [go] down, usually by submarine. They built these flat submarines, these regular class, so they could ship all this stuff down.

Tompkins remarkable information is consistent with Grand Admiral Karl Dönitz who referred on three occasions to an impregnable fortress being built for Hitler in a remote location using Germany’s advanced submarine fleet. In 1943, Donitz is reported to have stated

… the German submarine fleet is proud of having built for the Führer, in another part of the world, a Shangri-La on land, an impregnable fortress.

The second occasion was in 1944, when he revealed how plans were in place to relocate Hitler so he could launch a new effort for his thousand-year Reich:

The German Navy will have to accomplish a great task in the future. The German Navy knows all hiding places in the oceans and therefore it will be very easy to bring the Führer to a safe place should the necessity arise and in which he will have the opportunity to work out his final plans.

Finally, Dönitz’s remarks at his Nuremberg war crime trial clearly suggest that it was Antarctica where Germany’s most advanced technologies had been secretly relocated by his submarine fleet. At the trial he boasted of “an invulnerable fortress, a paradise-like oasis in the middle of eternal ice.”

Donitz’s remarks were made plausible in 1966 by cartographer and artist Heinrich C. Berann for the National Geographic Society. In Berann’s depiction of an ice-free Antarctica, he shows underwater passageways that run throughout the Antarctic continent. This provided a plausible way in which submarines could travel under the ice for considerable distances to Nazi Germany’s “invulnerable fortress”.

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Ice Free Antarctica

Donitz’s claims are further supported by documents provided by an alleged German submarine crewman after the war, which described the instructions for U-Boat Captains to reach the Antarctica bases through the hidden passage ways. Below is an image of the document with the translated instructions.

Directions to Antarctic bases - Source

Directions to Antarctic bases – Source

In today’s interview, Tompkins describes simultaneous flying saucer programs that had been developed by the Nazis. One was in Germany, while the second was in Antarctica. In his response to a question about where Germany’s antigravity craft were being built, he said:

They built the prototypes in Germany. They built pre-protype, something which is ready for production, in Antarctica. They put this stuff in production in the countries all over Germany [Occupied Europe], and they continued to build similar vehicles in Antarctica.

Tompkins then shares one of the most astonishing secrets gained by the Navy spies embedded in Germany. With the help of the Reptilians, the Nazi’s Antarctica program had successfully launched manned missions to the Moon, planets, and even other star systems.

Now the question was asked whether did we ever get to the Moon? You see it was in some way, it was well known that the Germans had a number of vehicles that flew out and came back. One of the first ones, they got into trouble, they crashed and the whole group died. But that was almost all coming from Antarctica. Way before, four years before, the war ended, they were always moving all of this stuff out. And so the flights, almost everything came from Antarctica with the same people. … I don’t know if it was true or not, but it was stated by some of those fellows [Navy spies] that they had gone to other stars and come back.

Tompkins remarkable claims corroborate the testimony of secret space program whistleblower, Corey Goode, who claims that from 1987 to 2007, he had access to smart glass pads, which described the successful Nazi space program that operated out of Antarctica.

Goode said the Antarctica program was controlled by German secret societies rather than the Nazi SS:

As explained, the Nazi remnants that were made up mostly of Secret Societies that created a “Break Away Civilization,” kept the most advanced technology secret from even their highest Military and Political leaders, setup enclaves in South America and Antarctica. The locations in Antarctica were some ancient civilization ruins that had remained occupied by certain groups in thermal area’s that cause area’s similar to lava tubes and domes under the glaciers.

Goode goes on to corroborate Tompkins claim that the Nazi bases were built adjacent to caverns controlled by another advanced civilization, the Reptilians:

There was an underground and under glacier city complex that was already occupied and setup in a couple of locations and the NAZI’s renovated an area that was mostly crushed above the surface but had plenty of room under the domed ice, thermal underground energy and caverns (accessible via U-boat under the ice flows and openings that made it ideal for a hidden multipurpose base) that were perfect for them to secretly build out during the entire Second World War

What makes Tompkins claims difficult to dismiss are documents he has published in his book, Selected by Extraterrestrials, supporting his main claim that he participated in a covert Navy Intelligence program that disseminated Germany’s advanced aerospace secrets to selected U.S. aerospace companies, think tanks and universities.

Furthermore, documents, and statements by Admiral Donitz, support Tompkins claims that Nazi Germany had succeeded in locating and building underground facilities under the Antarctic continent. The long route under the Antarctic ice sheets, which the German submarine fleet allegedly took to reach these hidden caverns, gives credence to Tompkins claims that Reptilian extraterrestrials had provided the Nazis with the information necessary to locate the hidden Antarctic caverns, and the under-ice passage ways to reach them.

In the next episode of ExoNews TV, we will hear from William Tompkins how the Nazis used slave labor in their hidden Antarctic bases, and that the Italian government had also developed a flying saucer program headed by the famous inventor, Gugliemo Marconi that was secretly operating out of hidden South American locations.

© Michael E. Salla, Ph.D.

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Further Reading

What follows is the transcript of William Tompkins responding to questions on the second ExoNews TV episode (see above) presenting his testimony.

Interview Date: February 25, 2016

Location: San Diego, California

Published on ExoNews TV – 4/4/16.

Interview Key:

WT: William Tompkins

RW- Dr. Robert Wood

MS – Dr. Michael Salla

[For introductory comments and video analysis click here]

MS – In an exclusive interview with ExoNews TV conducted in San Diego on February 25, Tompkins for the first time publicly revealed the role of Reptilian extraterrestrials in Nazi projects. The following interview extract features Tompkins answering questions from Dr. Robert Wood and myself.

WT – The fact that the Germans were given this information from the Reptilians. They set up the program, they designed the program to support Germany, and they are giving Germany the UFOs.

RW – Was this an alleged fact in any of the briefings you delivered?

WT – Yes….

MS – How did the Navy spies learn about the [Reptilian] extraterrestrials helping the Nazis? Did they see Reptilians, did they read briefing documents, or did they hear chatter among the German scientists about the Reptilians, how did they learn about that?

WT – OK, the SS had many separate classified meetings, get-togethers, whatever. They formed an organization, a little bit like signing this thing over here when we first started talking [Memorandum of Understanding]… The SS then interprets this into a whole series of programs, and this then is disseminated through their specific military communication, whether it’s a major effort, or something that’s off on the side. All of this is documented and put together.

Now in addition to that, they had, if you want to call them, “consultants”, who are Reptilian consultants assisting on all of these different things that it takes to design and build these spacecraft carriers, and propulsion systems. So this is an extremely well developed program and documented like crazy. Getting copies of the documents was hard for them, hard for our spies. This was an open program in the upper level of the SS.

RW: It was compartmentalized.

WT: It was completely compartmentalized. It was well known there. People who had to do the work, had no knowledge at all of what it was for. They had to go do it, and so I guess it’s a little bit like a company that has the engineers do their effort, and then supplies are gained. You get all the supplies to build it, and then you have people build it. Only the very tip of the top have the knowledge of what this thing is even for. So that guy is working with a Reptilian. His group is working with Reptilians. They are doing, making sure that the engineering is engineered in a way to accomplish this thrust effort or this propulsion system.

MS: So the Navy spies reported back on what they had seen, or whatever documents they had retrieved, and that this was their conclusion that agreements had been reached with Reptilians, and Reptilians were acting as consultants with some of the Nazi SS compartmented programs.

WT: Even more than that. One of the packages that I got had a statement type thing. I don’t know how he got a hold of it. It was not the original agreement between the two countries, the extraterrestrials and Germany, but it alluded to this. You don’t have many of those around. There was this tremendous program to, which the operatives got into, where there were university type facilities where hundreds of thousands, of even Russian girls, were brought into these facilities. Certain groups of the troops would get them pregnant, and this program was then to come out with massive numbers, the reason I’m saying this is because it takes a long time to have a baby, and so you are not planning to win the war next week, but that part of their program was set up and structured to parallel a Reptilian battle group program to go to other star systems’ planets, and do the same thing that Germany was going to do to Europe, and to this planet.

Which is, in other words, it wasn’t just taking over the United States and killing some Jewish people …

RW: They were going to do it again throughout the galaxy?

WT: Holy cats the thing went way beyond that [world conquest]. Again, what we just said about this was the tip of the iceberg of what they were doing. Already Reptilians were doing it to other stars’ planets all over this area of the Galaxy…. These young kids, the operatives, they couldn’t believe half of what they brought back, what was going on. But some of them were really good people, and they knew how to get into places and listen to what’s going on, and finding what that guy he had talked to, or he heard, and going to so and so, because yes they were doing that over there. It goes to two countries away from an occupied country with a facility, a massive thing going,

And another part of it, they were even building boiler plate steel UFOs, 200 foot, 250 foot boiler plate steel, which is insane. But that group took the information that was given to them, and they didn’t even figure out it should not be steel, but the propulsion unit floated it up, just like it was a feather, and they were on a learning curve that you could do these things all over using standard mathematical, or standard technical terms of the way you would normally do it.

Thousands of engineering groups were working different aspects to all of this. Some of them had the vehicles, others they gave them a vehicle to reverse engineer, so they could become familiar with everything from the inside out. And so different people, different organizations could handle these different matters. It was a massive program. The mission was to take over the planet, kill off all of the ones that were a problem, and the rest of them make slaves out of them. Everybody on your planet, then second phase was to leave the planet with large squadrons of UFOs, after you’ve got them all built, and do the same thing to other stars’ planets. That’s the German will [plan?]…

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This is part 2 [click here for part 1] of the transcript of the explosive original testimony of Randy Cramer (aka Captain Kaye) who claims he served on Mars as part of an elite Mars Defense Force for just over 17 years. The main purpose was to protect a “Mars Colony Corporation” that had five civilian settlements on Mars from indigenous Martians. In the interview, Cramer describes how he traveled to secret Moon base to sign papers committing him to a 20 year tour of duty. He was then transported to a military base on Mars where his unit engaged in territorial battles with the native Reptilian and Insectoid Martians. This was Cramer’s second interview in a five part series where he described his training as a child super soldier to serve as a member of an elite Marine Corps unit that provides personnel for a secret space program with military bases on the Moon, Mars and other parts of the solar system.

Original Skype Audio Interview published through ExoNews.TV at https://youtu.be/YCTYkYcYuI0

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M.S. Michael Salla, Ph.D.

R.C. Randy Cramer (Capt, USMCss)

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Note. Randy Cramer used the pseudonym Captain Kaye in the five part series of interviews published in April 2014. Linguistic redundancies such as “you know”, “so”, “and”, “ah,” etc. have been removed when appropriate for correct grammar and ease of reading. An ellipsis … will signify removed text to correct grammar or eliminate reduncies. Timestamps will enable the reader to locate the relevant audio passages.

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Transcript of Interview conducted via Skype

Continued from Part 1

M.S. Right, now of course you arrived there on Mars around 1987, and 1975 was when Aries Prime was set up. Now this of course was during the Cold War, so was the Soviet Union a part of the Earth Defense Force and the running of Aries Prime?

[35.41]

R.C. Absolutely. Yes, the US, Russia, China, Germany, I mean everybody cooperated together. Absolutely it was taking place, and I have had this question a lot. How is it that these people cooperate, while at the same time, everyone is fighting. Like, who’s lying or is it just a show> I think the real answer to that is that the people who have separated themselves from regular state authorities over decades ago to establish the parallel organizations, are so separate that the people who don’t know what’s really going on, are really fighting with each other. They are all having all kinds of problems with each other, and hate each other, and want to kill each other. The people who have set themselves about that have done that other thing, which is we are going to cooperate for mutual goals and benefits, and try to sort out all these other problems down below over time by keeping them separate. So that’s just a little aside that explains why they do that.

[38.50]

M.S. I see, so at this point you are going to begin your official duties so what is it that you are now officially recruited into?

[37.02]

R.C. At that point I arrive at Aries Prime, and at that point we all get informed that we are now members of the Mars Defense Force (MDF). The MDF is the specific military organization, private contracted military organization which is specifically contracted to serve under the MCC [Mars Colony Corporation] to protect and defend the Mars Colony Corporation and its interests. We got informed you are now a member of the Mars Defense force, you will be assigned a chit, a little card, paper work that is going to tell which shuttle you are going to get on. Then you are going to get on that shuttle and that shuttle is going to take you to a station and that station is where you are going to be probably for the next 20 years, and when you get to that station then you will get informed exactly what you are doing, and exactly who you are working [with], and receive all necessary training equipment, etc., when you get there.

[38.11]

So I get my chit, I got my stacks of paper work, wandering out on to the tarmac again, being directed towards which shuttle I got to be on. This time, these vehicles are pretty small as far as not being much bigger than half a bus. They’re like half a city bus, they’re not that big. I think these things only sat about 20 guys, plus a pilot and a co-pilot up front and rows of seats kind of facing each other with a door out the back. So you come up, get in, sit down. Seats aren’t even all full in this particular vehicle, there are only like 15, 16 people, so we had a few empty seats. Unlike the larger vehicle which was a very smooth, very quiet lift-off, take-off, landing, not a lot of movement or momentum or disturbances, this vehicle was kind of loud and you could definitely feel that you were kind of shaking and moving when it lifted up off the ground… [It] seemed to do most of its maneuvering at between 15-20 feet off the ground, it was a kind of low to the ground vehicle. I think it could go higher but staying low to the ground meant it was less a target, … [inaudible] could be a target for anything that was higher in the air.

[39.47]

We spent like what seemed like … three or four hours of flying across this red rocky landscape. So we got to forward station Zebra which is where I spent the next 17 plus years of my life as a member of the special tactical operations division of 098 Forward Station Zebra which also housed in a sister division unit which was less than a 100 feet from the main station. So that there are kind of like two separate stations right next to each other, which [was] division 097. Our sister division was 097, we were division 098 Special Tactical Operations Division, Mars Defense Force, Forward Station Zebra.

[40.50]

We got there and we are introduced to that facility and again we are met by some young enlisted people who are already stationed there, walked us around, took us into the interior of the structure and then walked us around what I call, we called, “the horseshoe” because the main living quarters in the barracks was in the back, farthest retreat point as you come in the front, and the farthest at the back point of the station in a kind of horseshoe shape, so that the two horseshoe ends did come around and there was a hallway that connected them so they kind of formed a horseshoe shape…

[41.32]

They led us down the horseshoe, and as we walked around we’re calling out names and pointing into the individual barracks for the squads which were 16 all the way around. There were alpha, bravo, charlie, delta, all the way around, and went down. They were calling out “so and so alpha”, “so and so bravo.” We get to delta and it was me and another guy. It was like, Cramer, Hansen, Delta Squad. So we went in there and they said wait here for the rest of your team to get back, and you’ll get briefed by them and told what to do. I could go into [great] detail into these sorts of things, but long story short, the rest of the squad came back. We met, familiarized ourselves, all realized that we were going to have to be friends, and that was the first day I got to meet my squad and realize what was going to happen.

[42.32]

The next day was our first training day where we got to familiarize ourselves with the powered body armor, environment suits and the hand-held gauss rifles or magnetic propelled weapons, and practiced our simulations putting on and taking off our body armor, firing weapons, and shooting against what were supposedly known threats at the time. Got a briefing from the base intel officer on where we were, and what we were doing, what the threats were going to be… He explained to us the Mars Colony Corporations job is to extract minerals and resources that those folks do, and your job is to kill anything that tries to get in the way of that.

[43.27]

We were informed that the native species of Mars were numerous as it turns out. There’s a number of living things that live on Mars now. The surface is still kind of sparse compared to what it used to be before the grand accident, as I kind of think of it. Which at another place in the story it will be more appropriate to tell that part, talking about the history of Mars as I’ve come to understand it, or came to be told it. So we were given a briefing on who and what’s what. So it turns out there were two main evolved species other than us who were living on this planet that we might have to contend with.

A native Reptoid species and a native Insectoid species that don’t necessarily live in the same areas, but have their own nests and hives, whatever they wanted to call them at the time.

[44.28]

We were essentially treated to the typical [briefing], these are the native savages and beasts that you’re going to have to deal with. We weren’t given any kind of impression that these evolved or civilized cultures, or had high knowledge, or philosophy, or technology or anything. Just that these tended to be a really big pain in the butt that we were going to have to deal with. I learned later that that was not the case. These were a very evolved species, had quite a bit of intelligence, quite a bit of culture, quite a bit of civilization. We were not given that as a briefing.

[44.28]

We were explained what the main tactic and strategy of Mars was, and the way these beings worked on Mars was a constant testing of boundaries. Wherever your boundaries meet up against, a forward station meets up with the boundary of a Reptoid or Instectoid species, lair or hive, is going to be a place of contested space, where they will challenge that space. They will challenge that space as far as to raid and completely overwhelm your own hive or nest, as they like to call it. But they have a strategy, which is you don’t go in and completely eliminate somebody’s nest, you don’t kill everything inside the nest. If you actually get inside somebody’s hive or nest; or in our case our base, your goal is to kill all the soldiers, or kill all the army ants so to speak, or you kill, or break all the eggs in the hatchery, the next fringe generation of warriors. You’re not trying to eliminate or knock out the species since that would create a vacuum of space, and you don’t know necessarily what’s going to come in and occupy that neighboring space again because most of everyone is fairly contained where they’re at.

[46.35]

There’s not a lot of a need to have a hive or nest to expand there, or there and there. There’s a lot of isolationist, we’re OK here [sentiment]. You stay where you are, and we’ll occasionally test your area, and test your space, and we’ll occasionally reduce your level to be a threat to us by stomping on all your eggs, or by stomping on all your soldiers so you have to breed or grow a bunch more. That maintains a certain balance of safety, and a certain balance of “we can all grow and get along without anyone having to get too crazy or out of line.” It keeps everyone in a constant state of war and conflict, and threat, and attack and defense. Our main strategy, as we were told, was to defend those borders, and to occasionally raid somebody else’s nest and follow those same conditions. If we raided … somebody’s lair or nest we were not expected to wipe them out with every technology we had. We were supposed to do the same thing which is to stomp on the eggs, or step on all the little hatchlings, and set them back a couple of generations long enough [so] that it will be x number of months or whatever before they are going to be able to formulate any kind of offensive again.

[47.50]

We were informed that that was the way it was going to be and we were going to be spending quite a bit of time doing that. After the intel briefing on here’s where you are, here’s who you are fighting, and here’s where you’re going to be fighting it, we got a speech from the old man, the colonel of the base. A nice old guy, I mean a guy I still respect to this day quite a bit, who gave us his big speech on who we are, why we’re here. To be honest, it was a fairly motivating speech. He said a lot of positive things about who we are, and why we were there, what good we were doing there for our people on our planet back home, and why we should be proud of what we’re doing and where we are. Again, it was a good speech, I felt fairly motivated by it. So after we got everybody’s introduction speeches, then like I said, the next day it was straight … [unintelligible] figuring out how to work all the equipment …  We probably had our first skirmish by the fifth day I was there.

[48.52]

M.S. You mentioned that the Reptoid and Insectoid races that were there were indigenous. I’m assuming that they don’t have anything to do with off-world Reptoid and Insectoid races that do have advanced spacecraft that travel through our galaxy, and have been reported to be interacting with people on Earth. That these indigenous Martian Reptoid and Insectoid races are some kind of indigenous development over many, many millennia.

[49.26]

R.C. Yes, definitely, at that point I can go into a little more detail into what I understand to be the Martian history as it was told to me. I have to jump a bit ahead I guess otherwise it will be this very long story. So I’ll just jump ahead into this really interesting part. Some years later, well into my second decade of my service … at the time I had gone from being a plebe in a fire team, to the squad leader of Delta Squad and we were captured, intentionally by the Reptoid species who referred to themselves as the Gah Luka [phonetic] which is as much as we think of ourselves as Earthlings because we live on Earth, Gah Luk is the name they call their planet, their home, so they really just call themselves people of home, the children of Gah Luka.

[50.42]

When we got captured, which remember was intentional, they decided that they had enough of whatever game playing we’d been doing over these years and it was time to get closer to who this hairless pink ape was that had landed and was giving them trouble. Again, they’re not savages. They’re very, very intelligent. In fact, they’re the remnants of the older ancient Martian species which was very advanced and had really advanced technology and space travel technologies. Advanced enough that they nearly destroyed themselves when they blew out their atmosphere. When the atmosphere got blown out, that essentially changed the pressure balance…. The pressure change made the oceans boil, and made the high pressure, low pressure systems so fast that 800 mph winds [blew]. While all of that air and moisture pushed out away from the planet and then gravity trying to pull it back in, some number of hours or days … was [all] that it took for the atmosphere [to] restabilize and create another bubble around it. By that time, everything had swirled around and thousand mph winds for who knows for how long, destroying every living thing on the surface.

[52.10]

If they had not already taken serious effort to have very deep and strong, completely secure, hundreds of feet underground, bases or cities of their own, they would never have survived because everything on the surface was absolutely annihilated. My understanding of what happened at that point is the surviving Reptoids who were all underground at that point, there was a moment of realization and awakening for them to go “wow, we just killed our planet.” That was not very cool of us…. There was pretty much a division, and I won’t say right down the middle. There was two sides that formed out of this. There was those who said, “wow, we’ve done a bad thing and we’re going to have to pay our penance for this, and we’re going to have to stay here and fix this. We are going to have to stay here and heal our planet, and re-terraform our planet… If it takes the next ten, twenty, whatever thousand years, well that’s our responsibility and what we are going to have to do in order to fix what we’ve done which is actually kill everything on the surface of the planet.”

[53.22]

The other faction was, “hell no, we’re getting out of here. Everything is dead, it’s gone, goodbye, it’s over. We might as well leave.” They picked up and left. It’s entirely possible or even likely that some of them came here [Earth], and that … one of the many species of Reptoids that came here ten or twenty thousand years ago that may or may not be friendly, giving us some trouble, certainly could have been some of those Martian Reptoids who left when that happened. I’m pretty sure it wasn’t only them, and I’m pretty sure there’s more species that have done more harm to us than they have. But if anything, they could be one of those mid-level management illuminati type species, or something that could be here on Earth, that could be an answer for that.

[54.25]

But the ones that stayed, really changed their ways to be honest. The sort of difference between the northern tribes and the southern tribes, as they are known now, is that the southern tribe have decided that to appease their planet that they should return to the old ways. So much of their choice to fight with primitive weaponry, or to fight using more primitive warlike techniques is a very specific stance on their part to do what they think, which is to be true to the old ways of their world and of their planet in order to have this old warrior philosophy, and this old way of living, than having war, since obviously the new way got everybody killed… So  their philosophy is Luddite, “let’s go back, forward was bad, so let’s go back, that’s the way we should fix this.” So the southern tribes, I wouldn’t say they’re the friendliest or really the folks there that we would want to try and make good relationships with, or have positive relationships with, because they’re not interested in it. They are interested in a life of war, that’s what they do and they believe that’s being true to their planet, and their true being is to be warlike.

[55.48]

The northern tribes are a little more varied, a little more different, and in some cases more mystical, more spiritual … and so when we were captured it was to get to the bottom of who we were and what was going on in our heads so that they could decide whether to wipe out this interloper that had come, this invasive species. Or whether it was something that should cohabitate and learn from this experience on their world as well. It was through a kind of lengthy process, a pretty painful torturous process, they weren’t nice about it at first. They were really wanting to get to the bottom of it. So there were a number of days where I was hung up with my arms, like this, in a stress position, being asked questions for a number of days before being let down, and allowed to mingle with the community and given a chance to participate as a member of the group. I felt really blessed, given that opportunity, and got to spend enough time to learn quite a bit, and in that period of time was also taken by a leader of that Reptoid tribe to meet the Insectoid tribe, and got to meet them for the first time through the Saurians, as a liaison, as a go-between. That was really interesting.

[57.13]

The Insectoids were essentially a subterranean species who were coming along as far as higher intelligence, and their ability to manipulate their own biology, and ability to organically grow and hatch things the way they wanted to. They were very advanced for an insect species that don’t use any kind of electronic technology … we were surprised at the kind of thing that can be accomplished. Essentially, when the Reptoids were driven underground by the surface being destroyed, that allowed in the time of re-terraforming the surface, the opportunity for the insects to come to the surface and they started building large hives out on the surface to expand. The fact that the Reptoids nearly annihilated themselves is what allowed it [Mars] to become a two species planet…. This other species was able to sort of come out, secure some space; and according to the Reptoids own system of what they believe are laws [of] how their planet works, the insects could defend and maintain their space by playing with the same rules of respect and strength, then it was OK. They could set out their space and they could all cohabitate together, and still have the occasional skirmish or invasion of one another since that’s what you do sometimes.

[58.50]

There was also interestingly quite a good peace treaty between most of the northern tribes and the insects. The insects and the northern tribes didn’t fight much. They really had their shit together. Anyway, I could blah blah about that, but I’ll let you ask another question or go on.

[59.05]

M.S. Essentially, your primary responsibility when stationed at Forward Station Zebra was to participate in any Martian surface hostilities and to protect the Mars Colony Corporation, the different outposts they had there. I guess this may be what happened later, was there off world battles that you were a part of, or you knew were occurring and this was something you would support in some way, or later on became directly active in? 

[59.45]

[R.C.]To my knowledge at the time, we weren’t given a lot of details in our daily briefings on what was happening outside of the Martian surface, or what was happening too far outside of our zone. We even didn’t get reports on what was happening at the other stations, or what was happening with the other settlements. We got really limited information on what was happening in our zone, and our area that our forward station was responsible for. We got the impression from everything else that was going on, that there was also a battle happening in the skies, with certain peoples. We couldn’t necessarily have a lot of information of who was fighting or shooting at who. I guess I should say this, the conflict itself, we didn’t understand who everybody was in this game, because while there were a native Reptoid species, and a native Insectoid species, and us, there also was an invasive Reptoid species which for several years we did not understand was separate from the native species.

[1:01.03]

For a number of years we just assumed that a reptile was a reptile was a reptile, and they were all part of the same group, even if they were different in size, shape or color. They just must be different kinds of ranks, or distinctions, or individual races, that they are working with. We presumed for a long time that all the reptiles were the same, and they weren’t. There was an invasive Reptoid species, they were Draconians, Alpha Draconians. For a long time we thought the two reptiles were the same. The Draconians were really trying to play off, getting everyone else to fight with each other. So the more hostility, the more crazy action, they could encourage us to take against each other, the native saurian, the native insects, and us, was good for them. It took quite a bit of time to realize through good intelligence that was not the case, and we needed to sort of rethink what was happening. Our goal definitely was to defend everything and anything that threatened, but I just want to make the distinction that what we thought that was, wasn’t exactly what that was. It was partly because of bad intelligence, and partly because of species ignorance, like they all have the same thing … [without realizing] they were two completely different species.

[1:02.39]

We didn’t know that the native reptiles and the invasive reptiles were fighting, and the insects and the invasive reptiles were fighting, and trying to get us to fight with each other, to keep us from fighting them. We didn’t realize that if we were under attack from the air, it wasn’t the same reptiles that were trying to attack us from underground, across the sand. So it was pretty confusing for while, as far as who was doing what, and what was fighting. Day to day operations was that if anything comes close, suit up, go out, fight with it. If anything comes to raid or invade, go through the protocols of defending the space until it’s over, then do the same thing the next day if you have to.

[1:03.23]

M.S. There have been a number of sources that have described a human indigenous race on Mars that historically, at a time of devastation, that it’s possible that they emigrated to the Earth, and some of them went underground. Did you ever come across any kind of evidence, or any information about an indigenous human looking Martian race?

[1:03.49]

RC. Not an indigenous one. It was explained to me that many different species have touched the surface of Mars over the years. Just like many species have touched the surface of the Earth over the years. So Mars is no exception to that. They certainly had a number of other Reptoid, Mammalian and other types of species that have come there, hung out for a while, stayed for a while, had conflict, then left. There were certainly times when the native Reptoids were not as advanced … [inaudible] add technology, help them, hinder them, use them … they’ve had kind of the same story but in their own unique way that we have in that way.

[1:04.46]

M.S. So you’re stationed at [Forward] Station Zebra for 17 years and you’re doing all this fighting, suiting up to do battle with whoever is threating the Mars Colony or Aires Prime or other settlements, in your down time, what did you do for recreation. Did you travel to Aries Prime, and just hung out? What was happening in the down time?

[1:05.18]

R.C. Oh, sure, we never left the station ever, unless it was military related, we had to go out to defend something, and come back. We never left. All our down time and recreation time was spent in the horseshoe pretty much. Luckily, there were the simulators which we used for training, could also be used for recreation. They’re essentially a kind of holographic experiential system that you hook into. There’s headgear, and a kind of body thing that you sit into, and you engage in this completely virtual experience that has the ability because it’s completely hooked into your central nervous system, to train muscle memory at the same time. So we actually did a lot of training in the simulators in which going through the virtual simulated experiences are actually doing all the same messaging, electro, bioelectrically through our bodies, at least doing the same training as muscle memory. The weight of information that is transmitted in the simulators, is faster than real time. So you can actually do 12 hours of training in a simulator, in three hours of actual time. So those same simulators are also used for recreation. OK, so where do we want to go today? Let’s go hang out on the beach. Ok, let’s go hang out at the beach. You plug into the simulator and hang out at the beach for the afternoon.

[1:06.56]

M.S. I see, so for example female companionship, were females allowed on the station, or was it using these simulators?

[1:07.10]

R.C.  It was absolutely mixed co-ed group. Men and women were assigned to the special tactical operations division there. Again, I would say in the supersoldier categories you still had this kind of two thirds, almost male, to a third female ratio. There definitely were more men than there were women, but in order to deal with that, in order to deal with what otherwise would have been a pretty competitive situation, the rules and regulations were pretty much set up for a very liberal approach to soldiers having sex with each other, both hetero and homoerotic in ways that were considered as long as it’s in your off-time, and it’s in such a way, do whatever you need to do to get your hormones out of the way. Otherwise there were too many fights and people were knocking each other out in the hallways over things that didn’t really matter. So it was a very liberal policy towards interaction. A very liberal policy towards sexual interaction and in your off-time you could pretty much do what you want. We did have a mixed bunch.

[1:08.32]

M.S. After spending 17 years on Forward Station Zebra what rank did you attain, what responsibilities did you have, and what happened that precipitated the next transition in your own off-world activities.

[1:08.53]

R.C.  I’m realizing that the question you asked me earlier I didn’t get to finish, [I can finish] by answering this question. In my capacity in special tactical operations division, I moved all the way up to Sergeant-Major after a 17 year 3 month period of time. Just a little over 17 years. At that time, a horrible disaster occurred. I’m going to have to choose my words carefully here. It wasn’t an accident, it wasn’t a natural disaster, but suffice to say that my division 098, our sister division 097, and two other divisions from a neighboring station 096 and 095, which is about 244 per division. 16 squads of 16 persons each which I think is 244 [actually 254] times four, nearly, just under a thousand of us. When it was over, out of that thousand, there were less than 35, [of] which I was a surviving member. It was a really bad thing which everyone got killed. At that point, it was over, the division was done. If they were going to rebuild the division, they were going to have to rebuild from scratch. There was no way you were going to take the six or seven guys out of the division that was left and watch the entire rest of the division get massacred, and put them back in, and be a part of the next division. That just wasn’t going to happen.

[1:10.57]

I had a superior officer who came to me when I was in my Med-bed recovering, and asked me if I wanted to go to a flight school and fly. I didn’t have to bat an eye. I was like of course I want to fly. He said, “great, as soon as you’re done here, the docs clear you here, we’re going to send you off to OCS [Officer Candidate School] Officer School, and you get to go fly. The last almost three years of my time, in my 20 year tour, I got to spend as a pilot, an officer, as a captain. At that point [OCS] was still in a marine air corps division … The Air Corps division interestingly enough, I think was modelled after a US Air Force program but contained a number of pilots and officers from other branches of the military. While we all got to wear the same uniform, we had distinctive ribbons and patches that identified exactly which service and country we were from. Unlike what it was like on the ground. On the ground we all had a completely different uniform, an MDF uniform, that didn’t have any of that insignia or marking on it. But when we moved to the flight division, that was different. We were more clearly identified as where we were from, and from what country we were from so that everyone… It was way more of an international mixing together. So that’s to answer the question about things that were happening in the air. Yeh, that last few years I got to spend in the air, in various skirmishes around the solar system, and doing a few interesting things in that capacity, Including the bombing of the Zeta base on Ganymede, which to my knowledge, our problems with the Zetas ended when we bombed the f. out of their base on Ganymede.

[1:13.05]

M.S. I was going to leave questions about the last three years of your service for another part, a final concluding part, but I wanted to finish this part by finding out [about] this final battle where your division was wiped out with approximately a thousand casualties. Firstly what did that battle involve, was it the indigenous races there on Mars? Finally, what was the fall-out for the Mars Colony Corporation, were the Corporations activities destroyed, or inhibited by what happened to the Mars Defense Force.   

[1:13.51]

R.C. All very good questions. Essentially at this time, just before this mission occurred, the war was over. A war which I had spent 17 years as a part of, but had started way before I did. My understanding, [it] raged for over 25 years. That was over, we had actually signed treaties with the native Reptoids and the native Insectoids, and had recognized the invading Reptoids [Draconians] as the bad guys, and had all got together and signed a treaty. [We] ganged up on them [Draconians], three against one, and drove them completely out of the Martian sphere for good. That was huge, that was a big applause moment and we essentially got told, “OK, we need you guys to go in to this Reptoid Hive which was supposed to be a much older, older site that had artifacts that are really old, that the scientists want.” [It] was not uncommon for them to find some area or ruin that had some old archeological facets, technologies that they would send us in to try and extract or get. Sometimes it would be just junk, and sometimes some interesting weird stuff. Sometimes it would be, oh, crap, there’s a nest of them here, and we’d run away, because we didn’t bring enough guys.

[1:15.34]

We ended the war and instead of ending the war, they were like, OK, go get this thing at this site and we are sending four divisions, a thousand of you. Which is pretty weird to send a thousand guys on a go pick-up an object kind of mission. Most of us thought that was pretty weird and most of us had a bad feeling about what we were doing. We thought “wait, wait, wait, we don’t want this to be misinterpreted. We signed a treaty with these guys and we ganged up on the real bad guys with these guys, do we really want to risk [that] by sending a thousand guys to one of their older, more ancient temple sites that they’ve asked us not to go into? They’re not going to receive that very well.” Some of us were concerned. I certainly being a senior enlisted person protested to my command officer, to the command staff, and I protested to the old man [the commanding Colonel], used whatever weight I carried with him to say, “look, look, I don’t think this is a good idea. I think this is dirty, I don’t think we are going to make out with this, and we should know better that meeting these guys in the field, that they hold back, nine times out of ten. If they really come at us mad, we’re done. They’re really powerful warriors and most of the time they really fight restrained because if they really came at us with barrels it would be all over quickly. It’s no fun for them in that way.” Knowing that, I was not interested in walking into whatever we were walking into. But the old man really agreed with me, that he didn’t like it either. He said, “I got my orders, now you got yours, and do what I know you do best and get in there, get your job done and get out. If there’s a problem, get out. I trust you to command your people, and I trust you to be a top guy down there on the ground, and I … can’t be there which is why you’re going to be there, and that’s why I hope this is going to go as badly as I think it will either. But, we all got our orders, so go do it.”

[1:17.44]

RC. We essentially had to come at this large underground ancient site through a series of tunnels and caves that kind of went down to it. We didn’t want to send everyone through one direction, plus that would have bottled us up in the smaller caverns we couldn’t fit more than six or eight guys across. You got a thousand guys, that makes crowded hallways. We try to keep … directions as we could. Sure enough, we get into this main domed building area which is essentially like standing inside something the size of the superdome or the astrodome or whatever. Some kind of domed sports arena. It was just that big and that round or so. We all kind of got down inside and we’re trying to communicate with HQ to figure out what’s next, and that’s when all the communications went dead, and our radios and our signals were jammed, and we all started looking at each other going this can’t be good. Then all round this large domed roof, at even intervals, what appeared to be rocky surface became doorways. I’m not sure if that was a solid holographic, or not a solid holographic, or what looked like solid wall, was all of a sudden not solid wall, and was doorways going all the way round this room. Like streams coming out of a drainpipe, from each hole come floods of these very large, very mean, very angry Martian [Reptoid] warriors, swaying around in both hands large bladed weapons. They just started moving around and surrounding everybody and moving in a big circle, a spiral, and swinging. An outer circle of all of our people just starting dropping and being cut, [we] tried to pull in, and pull in, try to get some distance to try to manage to fight and defend. No, it was like being caught inside a blender.

[1:20.38]

By that stage we, the egg heads, had developed a localized wormhole technology so a lot of our transporting of troops at that stage in the game, was being done by a localized wormhole phenomenon. But they [Reptoids] had completely jammed out ability to communicate, were jamming our ability to send localized troop transport coordinates … Someone managed to get their radio going correctly, or managed to get another signal on another frequency so they were able to connect to HQ, and try and communicate what was going on, and what we should do, what was happening. They kept telling us to stay put, not like we could do anything else, and any minute now they would have figured out how to get the wormholes back open and get us out of there.

[1:21.35]

Well what happened was the craft that uses the localized wormhole phenomenon [was jammed] so they had to use the larger ship transport wormhole phenomenon which created this large ship sized wormhole right above us. [It] sucked up the survivors, what was left at that point. The circle kept getting smaller and smaller, and then whoever got caught in the event horizon of that ship wormhole was sliced right off wherever they touched the event horizon. The next thing I know we’re on the Med-bay pad and medics coming in … [Randy gets very emotional] I can see her top half, blood coming out of her so fast that she went pale so fast, and lifeless so fast. All I could do was yell, “medic, medic, I need a medic over here. I got people dying.” It was chaos, and everybody died except the 35 or so of us that didn’t. My understanding was that this was a dumb command decision by people at the MCC who wanted whatever this thing that was so special … they were willing to violate treaty space, [what] we had already decided was treaty space, by sending a thousand guys to their death.

[1:23.10]

To my knowledge I think the MCC really suffered from that. I don’t think the native Martians would have chosen at that point to say, “you betrayed it, we’re going to wipe you out now.” I think they would have said, “well, we killed all your guys who came into our temple, like we told you not to. That will teach you that lesson.” I would imagine that anyone else who thought … [inaudible] a harsh response from them at that point. They essentially … [inaudible] parameters of the treaty. I seriously doubt that would degrade back into war based on the treaty we filed, but it would be seen as an overstep that was responded with, “well your guys came over here like they shouldn’t and we killed them all like we told you we would if you did. Don’t do it again.”

[1:23.56]

M.S. Well thanks for sharing that. I think a lot of the listeners would appreciate knowing exactly what it was that happened, even though the details are obviously a very moving and traumatic for you, a lot of viewers would benefit to know what exactly happened, and what the ramifications were. So I’m going to bring this part to a close, and then we will come back for another part to look at the final three years and wrap things up. I want to thank you Captain Kaye, and we’ll be back soon.

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This is the transcript of the explosive original testimony of Randy Cramer (aka Captain Kaye) who claims he served on Mars as part of an elite Mars Defense Force for just over 17 years. The main purpose was to protect a “Mars Colony Corporation” that had five civilian settlements on Mars from indigenous Martians. In the interview, Cramer describes how he traveled to secret Moon base to sign papers committing him to a 20 year tour of duty. He was then transported to a military base on Mars where his unit engaged in territorial battles with the native Reptilian and Insectoid Martians. This was Cramer’s second interview in a five part series where he described his training as a child super soldier to serve as a member of an elite Marine Corps unit that provides personnel for a secret space program with military bases on the Moon, Mars and other parts of the solar system.

The audio of the skype interview was released on April 8 2014, and was the first time Cramer had come forward with his “total recall” of events that occurred during his 20 year service from 1987 to 2007. In an earlier interview with Eve Lorgen in 2006, Cramer used the pseudonym “Zed” and described what he recalled at the time of his contact experiences with several extraterrestrial races. Cramer claims that in 2014, he was authorized to reveal his secret space program experiences through his military superiors in the USMC special section.

Original Skype Audio Interview published through ExoNews.TV at https://youtu.be/YCTYkYcYuI0

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M.S. Michael Salla

R.C. Randy Cramer (Capt, USMC ss)

[0.00] – Red timestamp refers to the time in the interview

Note. Randy Cramer used the pseudonym Captain Kaye in the five part series of interviews published in April 2014. Linguistic redundancies such as “you know”, “so”, “and”, “ah,” etc. have been removed when appropriate for correct grammar and ease of reading. An ellipsis … will signify removed text to correct grammar or eliminate reduncies. Timestamps will enable the reader to locate the relevant audio passages.

Formatting: All questions are bold highlighted, and normal text is the response by Randy Cramer (Captain Kaye).

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 Transcript of Interview conducted via Skype

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[0.24]

M.S. We are back with Captain Kaye and we are going to be discussing, what is the series of events that happened after he completed Project Moonshadow around the age of 17, and when he went off to do his service with the US Marine (Corps) special section. Randy why don’t you tell us what happened once you completed or graduated from the Project Moon Shadow.

[0.53]

R.C. Sure, it was a pretty short span of time between completing the program and then I would say there was about a 90 day period where a lot of the final testing, where OK, we’ve spent as much time as we going to spend training this thing, and spent as much time as we have building it, now we have to really see if it’s going to do what it’s going to do under a lot of different conditions. So there was an interesting 90 day period of going to a lot of different places as far as ecozones, as far as temperatures, environmental zones around the planet, to see how we operate under different conditions, and different scenarios. Sometimes working with or playing war games with other special forces units. In some cases actual live fire training exercizes where for us it’s a testing exercise, but for somebody else in another country it’s very real and they’re dead because of it. They were the live fire exercise that we got to be tested on. But certainly considered not a threatening enough force that you’re going to send your high tech machinery and get them damaged or something. You can pretty much guarantee that if they’re not broken, the other team is going to have no chance of winning.

[2.27]

Armed forces around the world have lots of AK47s and no shoes. These guys are not very equipped against skilled armed forces. If you’re in a test scenario, sure, why not send five of your supersoldiers against 50 of those guys and see how they do. Because you know your guys are going to win, but you want to see how they test under live conditions that’s a safe test. So after 90 days of that, then I was picked up under a regular routine pick up in the middle of the night, and then taken to Lunar Operations Command, and checked [into] a small living quarters area which is not much more than a jail cell size, but not a jail cell, I mean much more civilized than that. Not meant to make you feel like a caged animal, but about the same size … [with] a sink and a bathroom off to the side, a little desk and a chair. Your typical set up, like a college dorm or anything. We’re checked into that and told to wait until the sound of the bell out in the hall, and that was when everyone was supposed to come out and go to the hallway at the end of the door.

[3.52]

Before that, two military personnel, but again [wearing] whatever sort of LOC jumpsuits, battleship gray with some gold fringe. There were two of those they looked like maybe standard security guards, not much more than that or anything else. They weren’t heavily armed, but they had side arms. They escorted us, me, one at a time, as far as I could observe seeing other people coming and going in the same hallway being escorted by another two of these individuals in their gray suits with the gold fringe, and was taken to a large waiting area outside what was clearly a large bank of cubicles in which a lot of bureaucrats in various military uniforms were pushing paperwork. A lot of people were sitting around waiting for their names or their numbers to be called up, to be signaled to come and speak to these people. It’s a fairly large well lit area where everything is done, in yellow or goldish colors. That was the color scheme at that time anyway. Fashion or any other thing could have changed that by now, but at the time it was meant to be and sort of feel like a bright sunflower yellow. Like you’re waiting for the dentist or something, but in a really big room.

[5.28]

After some time of waiting, you’re called to come and sit down in a cubicle and have a junior officer in a uniform which I don’t quite recognize, but he identified [himself] as being an Air Force officer. This is an Air Force uniform that I’m not familiar with as far as seeing in the regular part of the Air Force. So I’m suspecting this  had something to do again, with a parallel Air Force branch and what their uniforms look like, but since I’m not super familiar with them, I’m only guessing at that.

[6.02]

He then pulls out a stack of paperwork and says, here’s your contract, I’m supposed to go over this with you, and talk about any questions you have, and get you to initial and sign in the right places, and then you move along. There was some kind of discussion  of him saying, OK, this is what you are going to do, you’re signing for a 20 year tour of service, but again don’t worry, it’s going to be alright. You’ll be done, we’ll wipe all those ugly memories out of your head that you’re not going to want to remember anyway, and then we’ll interject you back to right after we took you and age reversal, and you’ll get to live your whole life all over again, and it’ll be fine. You won’t lose any time, you won’t lose any years, and in fact you’ll come back to a nice cushy job. We’ll take care of you, you’ll be fine. Lots of reassurances that it’s no big deal. Everyone does this every day, it’s just the way we do things now. A certain amount of explaining what’s in the paper work, and what’s in the contract, and [you] just initial and sign in all the right places.

[7.01]

After not much debate or discussion, I had a few questions and he answered them, and eventually I realized as he was explaining, “look, you know, we sign this paperwork and you can move out of here. You can walk out of here to do your next thing, or we can sit here and talk a really long time about the paperwork that you have to eventually sign anyway.” He was a nice enough guy, he wasn’t being a jerk about it or anything. But it was clear, this has to be done. Paperwork has to be signed, and if I have any questions, ask them, but it really doesn’t matter. Just sign and we’ll move on. And so after that was done, then being escorted back to the temporary living quarters, and then being told to go ahead and take a break. Again wait for a bell in the hall, and then kind of dozing off, not sure for how long, hearing the bell in the hallway and then going out, going down to a long hallway, doorway at the end of this hallway. Everyone who is in these temporary quarter living rooms is coming out into the hall, and heading on down.

[8.07]

Then we open up to larger doors, which then opens up to a much larger room, a hangar bay essentially – we were right off the hangar bay. There’s a very large vehicle, I would call it more of a delta or bat wing shape, as opposed to round shape or disc shaped. More of a delta triangle, but maybe wider. What you would call a bat type shape, but pretty tall as far as from the bottom to the top part of the vehicle, I would say it was thirty, thirty-five feet. It looked like it was multiple stories and levels inside which appeared to be the case when we were inside, and the wingspan was probably, hard to judge distances like that, from that level, but I’d say it was easily between four hundred and five hundred feet wide, wingspan, from tip to tip. Then nose to tail, less than 150 feet. The front section had a large rounded nose on it, and you could see there was a slightly curved window, surface was curved, that appeared to be where the pilots might be sitting or operating from. It was pretty high up, kind of like [the cockpit] in a 747 which is up higher than the main part of the vehicle, kind of similar to that, but again with the dimensions I stated.

[10.00]

So I got in there, there were lots of reclining lounge seats, that sort of memory foam thing. You kind of sink in, you hear this air moving sound that kind of gets to form around, it gets a good grip apparently on your body. There’s some strap ends, and after some time of everybody fiddling and getting ready, once everyone is secure, there’s a few people that help everyone get sorted out if anyone is confused. Then the lights in the vehicle dim, and not unlike in an airplane, you hear the pilot over the speaker saying, “welcome everybody I’ll be your captain for this shuttle flight from Lunar Operations Command to your next station which you will not have clearance to know until we arrive. As soon as you arrive you’ll have security clearance to know where your destination is, but until we go there, you’re not cleared. Before we leave we are not cleared to know where the destination is, but the moment we arrive at our destination, then we’re cleared to know where we are.” I think that was very amusing, in my own sort of way. I get amused about the way they do security, and make these levels of secrecy and clearance.

[11.22]

He did something interesting, which I wasn’t expecting. He said, “none of you are going to see home for a very long time, it’s going to be a while. And so before we go we’re going to take one last look, and everyone is going to take one last good look at home, and give us a moment to think about why you want to come back, and why you want to protect the people and the family that are there, and why this is something worth fighting for,” or something to that effect. He said then, “we’ll pause and take a good long glance for a minute, and then we’ll be off, and won’t be back for 20 years.”

[12.07]

Interestingly enough, the feeling inside the vehicle when he pulled out of the hangar bay and positioned himself at whatever distance he was from the earth, whatever perfect distance they wanted so that when the visual array came on, and the ceilings became a projection of what the vehicle was seeing in front of it. You had, not unlike in a planetarium when you are lying back in a chair and you, by artificially having that space projected on the ceiling, can have [a] feeling or experience that you’re in space, or that space is around you. When you’re moving you get that sense you’re having artificial movement or something like that. Pretty much a similar way by having a big projection, a very clear projection in front of you of what’s happening. You really had a sense that we were all hovering in space in these chairs, staring out at Earth, getting our big look for the last time, and it was awe-inspiring. It absolutely stands out as one of the most amazing moments in my entire life. The moment I was at the perfect position, staring at the planet and being able to see it in its entirety. And not in a picture, it was there. It was moving and the clouds were moving, and the lightning storms were flickering and there’s activity that’s moving very slowly or very slight of it so far away you can’t see but you know it’s there, and there’s an ability to see that’s not anything like you could see it any other way. I mean seeing it in a picture is not the same, seeing a really good high definition image on a big screen just isn’t the same. Having the sense of being so huge that you are right there looking at it, Having that image be so clear that it looked like you were looking at the real image and the ceiling wasn’t there, but it was there, I’m sure. It was just awesome.

[14.24]

You know it was amazing to see that there was this entire thing that’s alive, it’s very clear from looking at Earth from space that she’s alive. That’s not just because there’s life on the surface of her, or just because we live there. There’s something very clear when you see this giant ball in space that it’s alive, and that there’s all kinds of people there. You don’t see borders. It’s a world without borders when you’re staring at it from space. There’s no lines that divide the countries. So you don’t look at it and think there’s America, there’s the United States. Hey there’s Germany. You say oh wow, that’s North America connected to South America, that’s Europe connected to Asia, and connected to Africa. You  really just see that it’s all connected and doesn’t have dividing lines, and from that perspective, whatever anybody could be bickering or arguing about down on the surface seems incredibly small, literally incredibly small, and you just get this sense that wow, I’m really in a special place. Not just staring at this thing, not just looking at her, but I’m in special place that I get to do something where I get to help keep her safe, and everyone who lives there safe, and all life that lives there now safe, and maybe if I’m lucky, all people who will ever live there, and all life that will ever live there safe in the future because of something that I do now. That just stuck with me, and struck me. I had a moment where I felt awe inspired, awe struck and that irregardless of however this was going to end up, this was OK, and this was special and I felt alright about that, and I felt completely OK with being in that special position. I was OK with that responsibility. I was happy about that. I was OK with it. It was just an amazing experience.

[16.22]

M.S. You want to maybe explain a little about Lunar Operations Command. I mean is it on the Farside of the Moon, is it an underground facility, how big is it?

[16.34]

R.C. That’s a good question and I can’t answer all those questions because I only had seen a certain amount of it. What I saw coming in to land was a certain sizable base on the surface, in which there’s a large, large landing platform. It’s kind of terraced up from the ground, from the lunar surface, and the platform, you could have put three or four of these things [triangular shaped craft] on top of there. It was probably almost a square mile platform on which to land things on, or at least half that or more. Then there were some smaller vehicles, kind of lined up in a row. A few, almost concert-like buildings, but they were huge, they were really big, they had a rounded feature. A couple of very large squarish rectangular buildings that didn’t seem anything extraordinary or unusual, and then once inside, a number of hallways, elevators, that clearly went down to the subsurface, below the lunar surface. I got the impression from the times I was there, and the areas I got to see that the place was absolutely massive. That station that I was at was at least the size of a medium city, at least. There was probably more than one of those medium size city complexes on the back side of the moon that we have something to do with, and are terrestrial controlled, but there are also, from what I understand, because the backside of the moon has been used for so long, by so many different species.

[18.44]

It’s kind of like Antarctica, it has these different areas where different countries and people can say we got this area, and we got this, and everybody respects everybody’s claim or area. So there are a number of areas that have been habituated by a number of different ETs that have had bases there for a long time, and they’re not going anywhere, apparently. Whether people are friendly or hostile, it’s kind of a neutral territory, so there’s places where those who don’t get along with others, cannot/be not too far from each other. But they don’t attack each other, they respect each other’s neutral space there on the back side of the moon, for whatever reason that the contracts, diplomatic arrangements is for that.

[19.30]

I think it because it goes back such a very long time that everyone respects it. From what I also understand there’s been a couple  times when war did come to the back side of the moon and it was bad enough in such a way that everyone said no, no, not here. This is neutral space for everybody to do what they need to do, but we can’t fight here or else we could risk losing the whole thing to somebody else or something. I think that was the deal. So I think it’s a pretty interesting mix of who’s there, what’s there, we’re there. What’s spread out over just what I’ve seen and what has been discussed with me. Clearly, not even all of what is there and what’s known about it has been part of my knowledge, my privy to what I’ve been briefed on. That’s about as much as I know about Lunar Operations Command.

[20.24]

M.S. The Shuttle craft that was taking you to its destination, do you know what the capacity of that was?

[20.32]

RC. I would have to guess because it was clearly multiple floors or levels in the interior and where I was at was clearly one area, and one floor and one interior, and whether the levels above and below were the same, or whether they were occupied by other cargo, storage, machinery or technology, I don’t know. If I was going to guess I would have to say that it had a capacity to move a capacity between a thousand and two thousand troops at a time. Maybe more.

[21.17]

M.S. OK, that’s quite big.

[21.20]

R.C. It was definitely built to move bodies for the most part. Again I’m only presuming maybe some other parts were also cargo. But it was definitely designed to move a lot of people the way it was set up.

[21.32]

M.S. With the papers that you signed was there any kind of description as to which particular service you were signing up for? Was it a more nebulous entity? What details do you remember from the papers that you signed? Who were you signing the next 20 years over to?

[21.54]

R.C. I was signing the next 20 years over to the Earth Defense Force, as a marine, as a United States Marine. That’s a question I asked, so I’m glad you asked this question …. I was like, “OK, who am I working for, what am I going to be here, help define this for me.” He said, “well you’re a marine, right,” and I said “Yes”. He says, “you’re still going to be a marine, you will always be a United States Marine, that is always what and who you will be.” He said, “but this is a contract, we are contracting you to the Earth Defense Force. The Earth Defense Force, once you’ve contracted to them, will have the ability to sub-contract you to one of the other organizations that needs people, or parcel you out to any number of EDF stations throughout the solar system.” He was like, “ah, most of them are boring, you’ll probably going to be guarding nothing, or listening to nothing, or you might get a really boring job on the ground somewhere.” He was really very [much] playing whatever was going to happen down, or wherever I might be, down. Which, not knowing where other people end up, I can’t say whether that’s part of the routine recruiters do, or whether he’s just trying to be honest. I think he was more just trying to get me to be happy with whatever his answers were so I would initial and sign so he could go on to the next person.

[23.17]

He said, “you’re going to be a member of EDF, and depending on where they send you from that point, will depend on what uniform you wear, and what people call you and what rank and so forth you hold. But you’ll always be a marine, and you may be something else temporarily or you may have to do something else temporarily. You’re going to know that as soon as you get to where you’re getting.” Part of his explanation was, “look, I can’t tell you what you’re doing next because I’m not cleared for that.”

[23.51]

He said, “all I know is that when you sign these papers it will set other actions into motion so that when you board the shuttle that leaves, another set of papers will be issued to you that will be opened upon your arrival. Those will be your new orders and your new assignment, and everything that you need to know. But before you leave, you don’t have a need to know that yet. It’s going to be in another file and when you get there, that will be handed to you, and you’ll get to know where you are, and someone will explain that to you.”

[24.24]

So he was vague enough, but tried to be reassuring enough that I wasn’t going to lose my identity, or that I was not going to be a marine, or sign over to some other organization that would compromise my values or ethics as a marine. He wanted me to feel comfortable about that, and just secure in the knowledge that we do this every day and it’s all going to be normal and fine, and it’s just go to be fine which is what he wanted me to be reassured of. But he was vague enough because they weren’t cleared to know that answer yet, so I wasn’t going to find out until I got to the destination.

[25.07]

M.S. So at that point in time, your knowledge of the Earth Defense Force was that similar to some kind of multinational covert agency dealing with space operations, kind of analogous to the United Nations where you can have different branches of the US [military] serving in different capacities, peacekeepers, advisers and so forth. In a sense, this is what was happening in space with the Earth Defense Force.

[25.33]

R.C. Yes, correct. My knowledge is that was basically correct and that again since my actual knowledge or briefing on this information at this time, at that time, was limited. I did get a debriefing when I got back 20 years later which, there was a little bit more. There was a farewell ceremony, a kind of big thing. I do remember at that time getting a little more of a speech about the goals and purpose of the Earth Defense Force and why it was put together. Essentially, in a similar way that these other separate parallel organizations were created. The Earth Defense Force was a parallel yet separate organization that was created mostly out of bodies out of the United Nations. Probably centered around the Security Council, because they’re the Security Council and they co-opt anything that has to do with defense and security. So pretty much out of the Security Council, the bodies that would form the EDF were formed and put together. This parallel organization was formed and stationed off of Lunar Operations Command so they would have as little contact with the surface as possible so that there would be as little possible bleed for security as possible. It would essentially create this sphere around the planet, and outside the planet to protect it from all things that might be harmful which we had come to know by that time. There were a few things that we should be concerned about and that just standing around with open arms was not going to be a good policy. We should have some kind of perimeter defense for whatever is coming next, or for whatever our next step into the intergalactic brotherhood is. You don’t necessarily want to do that without a guard dog on your front yard.

[27.26]

M.S. OK, so what was the destination and what was revealed to you when you arrived there.

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R.C. The destination was Mars, it was the Mars Colony Corporation headquarters. There were five settlements, the main settlement was called something like Mars Prime; no sorry, it was Aries Prime. They are real creative. Instead of calling it Mars they called it Aries. So Aries Prime was the primary settlement, and the first settlement where the Mars Colony Corporation headquarters was. Then there were four additional settlements where I never set foot on. From Aries Prime [where] we were, we landed, and set foot on to a platform there and walked in to a very large facility right across the open Martian plateau which was hot, and [with] a cold breeze and thin but breathable air. The temperature range is quite wide so you really don’t spend any time out in the open Martian desert without an environment suit. Absolutely not, it’s pretty fatal to do so. I think that there was some dome shielding protection and we were kind of like down Aries Prime, down in a crater almost. There’s a natural canyon wall that kind of comes up round, it sunk in so the wind doesn’t hit it too hard. It was that particular time that we came out, it was, it felt like a hot day but there was a very cold wind that was blowing and you felt like you came out at 8000 or 9000 feet or something like that. The air was very thin, but totally breathable. I was really quite surprised to be honest, to have them just open up the door and say alright head for that other door and have us walk right outside but we did.

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M.S. Was the Martian terrain as we see in NASA photographs, with the red sky, and the reddish soil?

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R.C. Yes, absolutely. It’s red, red, red everywhere because certainly all that iron oxide that’s left on the surface. It makes the main reflection red everywhere you look, and so not unlike, I’m trying to think now. Yes it was red sand, rocky, sandy from very fine textured sand to big boulder rocks, and very red. The only exception is sunrise and sunset, which for some strange reason, I shouldn’t maybe say a strange reason because it’s physics I suppose, there’s a period of time for maybe 15 or 20 minutes depending on the season when the sun is dropping below the horizon and it goes from red to purple. For about 15 mins everything turns this amazing shade of purple. The Martian sunsets for that reason, they’re not that bright, because the sun is pretty far away, but also amazed at how much light, being that far away, you still have. I distrust some of the things that people say about life on other planets and living on other planets, having been to another one and going, you know this is little different than what I thought it would be and what people said it is. Yes that sun is dimmer farther away, but it’s still amazing how [much] light you cast when you stick out your hand, or how much shadow is being cast when you look to see behind you to see what your shadow has cast. It’s still quite a lot of light but that purple thing really at sunset and at sunrise, is just really amazing, it’s really cool, and it’s short you only get to see one time of day, but it’s kind of dim purple everywhere.

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M.S. Can you tell us about Aries Prime. When was that settlement first established, who are the colonists, and was it run by a particular country like the US, or was it multinational, or was it a corporate entity in charge.

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R.C. My understanding is that the Mars Colony Corporation, again like every other part of the EDF [Earth Defense Force] is put together from parcels, service persons, scientists, advisors, engineers, business people, anybody that you want to put into the pool to be utilized, is put into the pool, and from those pools, decision makers pull out names and make lists of people that decide to do things. My understanding is that the Mars Colony Corporation was set up by multinational interests so that of all these different countries that participate they got together with their various parcels of business people, engineers, mining people, military advisors, intel people to get together because we need to form the Mars Colony Corporation so that we can go there and make it profitable. You know we can’t just spend trillions of dollars going to Mars for purposes of exploration without finding ways of extracting resources from it and make it pay for itself. Otherwise it’s just not going to go. So it was put together, all those various individuals, I don’t know exactly who they were, or who picked them, or what that process is other than whatever individual processes those countries have to put people into the pool, and which ever committees out of the [UN] Security Council, the EDF, or MJ-12 or ACIO [Advanced Contact Intelligence Organization] will get to decide then who does what.

[34.18]

The Mars Colony Corporation was set up in about 1974/1975. My understanding is that we were on Mars the very first time around the mid-60s, but really didn’t try to do anything serious, or really prepared to do anything with that until the 1970s. My understanding is that our first exploratory mission that was sent there to stay any length of time was 1970. Then after a few years it was decided that we were ready to go ahead and establish a Mars Colony Corporation foothold, and set up a few settlements and attempt to do some mining, and extract some resources to make it pay for itself. Apparently that was about 1975, when the Mars Colony Corporation set foot on Mars and started its first mining operation. That was 1975 to my understanding, as I was briefed.

[35.21]

Continued in Part 2

 

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