Transcript of Interview on “Israeli Ex-Mil Space Chief: US & ALIEN Galactic Federation Deal (Human Experiments) & Mars Base” with Dr Michael Salla and Corey Goode
December 10, 2020
Source – YouTube: https://youtu.be/c7OwPpc4cLA
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Corey Goode: Hello. Thank you for joining the Sphere Being Alliance YouTube channel. Today I’m talking with Dr. Salla about some rather exciting articles that have appeared on even mainstream media. And it’s been trending on Twitter. You see it all over Facebook.
It’s regarding the Israeli “spy”, as they’re calling him, who announced that United States had signed an agreement with an extraterrestrial federation and that we had a joint base on Mars.
Welcome, Michael, Dr. Salla. How are you doing today?
Dr. Michael Salla: I’m good, Corey. I’m glad to be here and it’s really great with this breaking news from this Israeli scientist. I mean, he’s really very senior. For him to come out and share what he has been saying is really confirmation about the sort of things you’ve been talking about for a few years now.
Now we’re getting it from a person that headed Israel’s defense program for spy satellites for 30 years.
Corey: Yeah, you being the researcher that you are, you dug into him and researched him, I’m sure. And can you kind of give us a little bit of a summary of why we should pay attention to this person?
FORMER ISRAELI SPACE SECURITY CHIEF’S STORY
Dr. Salla: Okay. All right. Well, he has a PhD in aeronautical engineering and he was sponsored by the Israel’s Defense Forces. And he was put in charge of the Space Research Institute at Technion, which is a technical university in Israel and that’s the place where they actually run Israel’s spy satellites.
So this guy ran that for 30 years after having served in the Israeli Defense Forces for a number of years.
So from 1981 up until . . . it was about 30 years, until 2010 when he retired, he ran this institute and the satellite program, which for Israel is really doing a lot of their espionage or this space surveillance.
And because of that, that meant he got to work closely with the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) and the CIA because the CIA runs the National Reconnaissance Office in conjunction with the Pentagon.
And so that means that the kind of programs that the NRO and the CIA have been doing for years in terms of space surveillance they have cooperated with Israel.
And so this is the person who headed the Israeli side of the spy satellite system.
He personally was in charge when 20 satellites went up.
And so that’s the cover. I mean, that’s really the sort of thing that Israel’s Defense Forces and the Mossad does to kind of like give them information about real world intelligence in the Middle East.
But what he’s just revealed through these interviews, which are part of a book that’s just come out, is actually that it was much more than just satellites up there that they were working with the Americans and that there was the joint extraterrestrial agreement.
So big news. So that’s where I wanted to kind of get your feedback on what you know about the NRO being involved in this kind of like liaison with extraterrestrials on behalf of the U.S. government.
SUPER FEDERATION OF GENETIC FARMERS
Corey: Yeah, the NRO and the DIA, I believe, had assets that are similar to what this person’s describing. And them talking about the federation, we have to remember, you know, I had talked earlier about this Galactic Super Federation.
And the Super Federation was kind of like a ruling body or place where people came together to present their experiments – the progress of their experiments – see the progress of others and to kind of . . . It’s a kind of governing body.
There are other small federations that are made up of different groups that are allied that are coming together in this Super Federation.
So it sounds very much to me like the genetic farmer races that I had described that, basically, the Deep State, or the super shadow government, had made deals like I had described with some of these extraterrestrial groups that were here supposedly monitoring us but also tinkering with our genetics.
Let’s say someone signed a deal in the 1940s. Like I’ve described before, these ETs have the ability to travel in time as easily as they travel in space.
So if they just happen to show up here in, let’s say, 1940, and it’s the first time they’ve been in our system, they could conceivably then travel all the way back in time and start tinkering with our timeline and genetics, and they could actually be our ancient aliens.
It’s a hard thing to wrap your mind around.
Time is something that they can jump around in and play with very easily.
So what’s happening is not only a galactic type of thing, it’s a temporal occurrence as well.
DIFFERENT GALACTIC FEDERATIONS
Dr. Salla: So that’s one of the things that is important is what he’s talking about when he mentions the “Galactic Federation”.
Is he talking about this group of extraterrestrials that have made these agreements with the Deep State and doing all these kinds of genetic experiments, and that they are kind of like, as you said, “genetic farmers”?
Or is he talking about a different group? I mean, maybe you can kind of elaborate between what he’s talking about, this Galactic Federation making agreements with the US, the Deep State, for genetic engineering and overseeing our planet, with the human-looking extraterrestrials that most people associate as the good guys. They call them the “Galactic Confederation” or the . . . even the Sphere Being Alliance.
Because I remember at one point you talked about the Sphere Being Alliance being part of a galactic federation or confederation.
So are we talking about different alliance groups here?
Corey: Yeah, many different groups. You hear “Galactic Federation” a lot. Well, that could apply to many different groups, like, you know, the Sphere Being Alliance. They’re a part of this, like, a galactic watcher kind of group that are overwatching higher-density realms and also looking after the lower-density realms to make sure everything’s being done according to Cosmic Law. These are like 6th, 7th density beings – very evolved beings.
And then you go down to 4th and 5th density beings and those include anything from the Reptilians to these tall Nordic races, different types of beings that we lump into what we call the “Grays”.
There’s a whole assortment of these other types of beings that . . . Insectoids. Insectoids are extremely into genetics. That’s . . . All of their technology is genetic manipulation. And even the ships they fly in.
And they’re a part of these little federations together. They work with Reptilians sometimes and they have agreements of convenience as well, because some of them have genetic spiritual timeline agendas that conflict with other people in this Super Federation.
And they sabotage each other’s experiments at times. That’s one of the reasons that they have this Super Federation is to help manage that and prevent chaos in all of these different systems because if chaos occurs, no one wins because the objective is Ascension or evolution on a genetic level and also a consciousness level.
SUPER FEDERATION IS BEING RECONSTITUTED
Dr. Salla: Okay, so the Super Federation of these human-looking groups that you went to, that was part of your job description, . . . And more recently you said that you also went up there as that Super Federation was reconstituted.
That’s kind of like a superior body or a separate body to this “Galactic Federation” that Professor Eshed’s talking about, that he was knowledgeable of.
Corey: I believe so because the Super Federation is more like a governing body where they all come together like in a big congress-type of situation.
And then they kind of act like their own little states with their own agendas while not attending the meeting. But they have agreements that they come together and enforce instead of [having] open warfare in the skies, you know, ships coming in destroying small civilizations to destroy their genetic lineage so theirs will prosper or spreading diseases, all of that type of thing.
They try to manage that in a way that’s going to benefit all of the different groups.
Eventually the group being worked on is supposed to take over like we are supposed to be doing.
Humanity is supposed to be taking over our own experiment.
And as I reported years ago at one of the last meetings I went to, the ET federation [Super Federation] had basically been told they’re disbanding and that humanity was taking over their own evolution as far as genetics and consciousness, you know, religion, consciousness, all of that. It wasn’t going to be manipulated by outside forces anymore for the first time.
So we’re going through the process of having that fully handed over to us.
So I think that we’re getting to the point to where they’re going to be willing to share their existence, the ETs that we’re talking about, openly pretty soon.
They definitely want to acclimate us and don’t want it to happen on our timetable.
Dr. Salla: So that’s pretty consistent with what Professor Eshed said that the Galactic Federation are looking at revealing themselves and that we haven’t quite reached the point yet of being ready for them.
Do you think this is all consistent with what you learned about: the reconstituting of the Super Federation that you knew of and now humanity is in charge? Are we talking about the same process or are these parallel processes?
Corey: It sounds like the same process and in a way parallel processes.
BASES ON MARS
He mentions that humans are working with some of these extraterrestrials on bases on Mars, but we know that we have bases that ETs have built that they are “sharing” with humans on the Moon and Mars and other places up to a smaller degree. But these are pretty significant bases.
The fact that a mainstream person like the one that we’re talking about would talk about humans and ETs sharing a base on Mars, that just opens up the conversation for the public on all the information you and I’ve been sharing the last five or more years.
Dr. Salla: Exactly. Yes. He actually did say American astronauts are up there working with extraterrestrials. So that’s really acknowledging that there’s a Secret Space Program with bases on Mars and that this Secret Space Program is conducting joint experiments with extraterrestrials. Mars is one of the places where this is all being done. And that he was privy to this knowledge in his official capacity.
And that matches with my ongoing research showing how the NRO and the CIA, along with the NSA, have been part of this kind of like Deep State-organized Secret Space Program.
And I think he would know about that because he was handling the Israeli side of it, because the Mossad and Israel’s Defense Force and their Space Institute handling their spy satellites, all of that was all part of this kind of overall coordination between the Israelis and the Americans for not only conducting spy or espionage over the Middle East but also monitoring Deep State traffic and obviously keeping up to speed with what the extraterrestrials are doing.
Corey: Yes, and I believe this is all a part of an acclimation process. We’ve had Fox News and other media showing the Tic Tac UFO, talking about some of the programs that we had to investigate extraterrestrials and covered it in a serious way.
Now we have a fairly high-ranking credible person from one of our allied countries that is making even larger statements that’s going to open up the conversation, because how many people in the mainstream saw that and after they chuckled a little bit, they went through and they read it and they were highlighting “Galactic Federation” and Googling it, and then all of these other little keywords, and then they’re finding their way to our work, our community, where we’re releasing this information.
This has gone somewhat viral and it’s really an opportunity for the powers-that-be to start seeding our consciousness, but it’s an opportunity for us to jump in on the PR around it and show everybody that there’s a lot more information to be found.
POSSIBLE DISTRACTION PROGRAM
Dr. Salla: Right. So, one of the questions I think a lot of people have is: Is this genuinely part of the Disclosure Process of the Awakening Process? Or is this a distraction to kind of like get people’s attention away from the political turmoil in the US and how things are unraveling here?
Corey: I had been warning for years that right when we get to the point where we see that everything’s about to be exposed about the Cabal, what’s been going on on the planet, that I expected a big announcement about Antarctica or ETs or the Secret Space Program to occur.
So because of the time we’re in, it could be a distraction, but at the same time, it could also be just a part of this drip, drip disclosure that they have that they’ve been planning to release information over a long period of time.
You’re starting to see news articles about “time travel is possible”. They’re seeding our consciousness with that because when we learn about the technology that the space program or Space Force and other groups are using now, there are too many temporal anomalies that occur when you’re observing the operation of these craft for you not to have that programming. You need to have your mind expanded a little bit to understand that this time travel stuff is real, and this is kind of how it works.
And then, “Oh, these craft that we release, you notice how they flutter from here to there and it looks like they’re in two places at once? Well, you know, that has to do with some of the temporal effects that occur”, and it will sink in a lot easier to the mass consciousness.
Dr. Salla: Right. Okay. Because I know that’s a concern some people have that this is all a distraction, but I think it’s really just also a part of the awakening process as the Deep State loses control as it has to play all its cards.
You know, this is one of the big cards it’s been holding back for decades now, and now it’s being played. And maybe part of the rationale is a distraction from the other stuff going on, but at the same time, you know, I think we can take this as a kind of gift in a way to help awaken humanity to the big picture, because I’ve always thought as more and more people start to look to space and look for answers to a lot of questions – UFOs, what’s happening on the other planets, and so forth, Secret Space Programs that . . . our consciousness is going to expand.
It’s just inevitable when you start to think outside of our planetary sphere, consciousness expands.
So that’s a good thing even if the Deep State is trying to roll this out as part of a distraction. It’s still a positive thing.
DISCLOSURES FROM THE ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY
Corey: Yes. Yeah, I agree.
Another thing we need to watch is the entertainment industry. A lot of these disclosures . . . just prepping our mind is going to occur in movies, television shows, video games to slowly kind of ease us into what they are about to reveal.
So, I think, what’s going to come out in Hollywood in the next five years is going to be, you know, really interesting to observe. Because we’re talking, you know . . . We have galactic federations we’re talking about in the news, time travel.
The consciousness of humanity has been seeded already for more, and they can bring in a lot of interesting concepts through science fiction and other methods.
So I think keeping our eyes on the media is going to help us kind of foresee what’s about to come, because usually you can watch their moves, and the moves they make will kind of give away their timing of what they’re planning on doing next.
THE KARDASHEV SCALE
Dr. Salla: Uh huh. So I wanted to ask you about one of the things that Professor Eshed said that I thought was really interesting, and maybe you’ve talked about it in the past, but I didn’t quite . . . maybe I didn’t appreciate it at the time, but he said that the Galactic Federation was on the verge of revealing itself through the Trump Administration, or that Trump was getting ready to reveal its existence.
But then it said, “No, hold on. Humanity isn’t quite there yet. Technologically, we aren’t at that sufficient level.
So it brings up this whole question of Type 1, Type 2, Type 3 civilizations, the Kardashev Scale. And as far as I know, the Breakaway Civilization with all the advanced tech is probably Type 1.1 or Type 1.2, or something like that, whereas we are using open source scientific data, you know . . .
Michio Kaku said that we are at 0.7%. So we’re not yet a Type 1 civilization globally, yet.
So the Galactic Federation said, well, we need to be closer to a Type 1 civilization before they reveal themselves.
Is that part of the normal process for extraterrestrials making open contact that society has to be closer to a Type 1 status?
Corey: Not that I observed, and it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me to be honest. If we were just one live news announcement away from being a Type 1 civilization, well, they just have to reveal it to us.
So the technology is there. We have the technology to go and visit these ETs at their home planet under our own volition.
A CHANGE OF CONSCIOUSNESS IS CONNECTED TO THE BUILDUP OF THE SOLAR EVENT
So I think more of what needs to catch up is the consciousness. And right now we’re . . . in the United States, look we’re on the verge of an open civil war. There’s been a shadow civil war for at least four years.
Look at all these different countries, there’s turmoil everywhere.
The ETs know that this is all part of the buildup to the Solar Event that as the cosmic energy and feedback from the Sun through the Cosmic Web builds up, it begins to affect our consciousness and everyone starts having End-Time Madness, you know, and having to deal with their own BS.
And it builds up and builds up until the Sun has this micro nova, and then it sort of resets.
And everyone after that time are all connected in a way that we’ve never been really connected before.
That, I believe, is more of the change that they are waiting for us to make.
We already have the Type 1 civilization technologies and we are manufacturing them, actually trading them, to other solar systems.
So, I really think that . . . Now, maybe technologically we don’t have an understanding of the current laws of physics, the electroplasmic physics, the way the universe works and the way consciousness ties in. That is a technology in a way.
But as far as a physical technology as in space travel, manipulating energy and matter, we have a lot of those abilities now.
Dr. Salla: Right. Okay. So then from the perspective of extraterrestrials monitoring our planet, you know, they look at our planet, and even though we have a Breakaway Civilization hoarding a lot of these advanced technologies, they’re not going to say, “Well, that planet is like type 0.7 or something or . . . They are going to judge us from the advanced technologies that are being used even if it’s just by a small elite group ensconced in these classified programs that the extraterrestrials will look at all of that and say, “Well, technologically, this planet is at a Type 1 status already.”
It’s just that most people on the planet’s surface don’t have access to those technologies because they are being hoarded by the Deep State.
So what Professor Eshed said that the Galactic Federation is waiting for us to catch up, you think that’s kind of like disinformation? Is that just a new agenda? Is he pushing an agenda?
MANY ET GROUPS ARE AMORAL
Corey: You know, I mean, that could be his understanding based on what they were saying in the programs. But over all it has to make you wonder: Are these ETs the amoral ones that I had talked about, or are they the angelic ones?
Well, if they’re waiting for us to . . . I mean, it just doesn’t sound like they’re interacting with us in a way of angelic beings.
Now, a lot of these beings in these galactic federations, I’m not saying they’re negative, but they’re amoral. They’re coming down kind of like scientists doing a clinical study and they’re not getting emotionally attached to it.
They come in, they pick you up, give you an injection, check you out, make some notes, put you down, just like we would a lab rat.
But the lab rat, his perspective, is, “Hey, this being’s picking me up, jabbing me, holding me in this area against my will.”
It’s not going to see this ET as being a positive being.
But a lot of the ETs in this Galactic Federation that do all these genetic experiments see themselves as sort of like amoral scientists.
AGREEMENTS WITH ETs FOR GENETIC EXPERIMENTATION
Dr. Salla: And that’s one of the things he pointed out in his interview that these experiments that are happening are between the U.S. and the extraterrestrials as part of these agreements.
He didn’t actually specify how many agreements there are and all of that, but as far as I know, the first agreement happened in 1955 at Holloman Air Force Base where Eisenhower secretly met with representatives of . . . either it was the German Antarctic Program or extraterrestrials or a combination of the two. That’s kind of like still not clear.
But that’s the first set of agreements that I know of.
Corey: Yeah, there are definitely agreements prior to that. If you remember, my grandfather, who during World War II was a conscientious objector, went into this program to where they were giving them viruses and wartime diseases and then coming up with treatments.
Well, I’m told that this experiment also entailed that the viruses they were giving them had little things that turned on and turned off genes in their body and then affected their offspring, going down to my dad, then me.
So this was genetic manipulation before genes were ever really announced in, I think, the 50s.
NORDIC ET GROUPS
So how were they knowing how to edit your DNA using a virus in the 1940s? Well, it’s because they were working with a Nordic group. And this Nordic group was working with them to implement these genetic changes to help create assets to fight against the negative ETs that they considered negative.
So this goes back to the 40s, to the 30s.
There have been . . . The United States when it was founded . . . there were discussions . . . some of the founding fathers discussed that there were “unearthly beings” that were involved.
I would say that there would have to have possibly been an agreement even back that far.
Dr. Salla: Well, that’s really interesting that the Nordics were helping the U.S. with some of their genetic experiments in the 40s.
Corey: The “20-and-Back Program” came from the Nordic race. They came and they told us: “Well, the way the mechanics of your Solar System works, there’s like a 20-year kind of little bandwidth that you can use to exploit to create time temporal bubbles that you can bring people from all different times into and work on problems.”
And they had done it in many different solar systems, but in each solar system it’s a different time period. It might be a 10-year-and-Back – a 10-year loop that they are able to exploit.
And I was told it had to do with Saturn, something with Saturn, in our Solar System, that Saturn was our chronos planet.
NORDICS AND SOLAR WARDEN, AND THE REPTILIANS AND THE DARK FLEET
Dr. Salla: Right. So the 20-and-Back Program really began in the U.S. with the Nordic races helping secretly, I guess, the Navy develop the Solar Warden Program.
Whereas the Reptilians helping the Germans in Nazi Germany and in Antarctica. I mean, they wouldn’t need a 20-and-Back Program, or maybe they did. Maybe they piggybacked on it, but I assume that they didn’t need it to begin with, but the U.S. did because it was all being done secretly.
Corey: Yeah, the Germans were exploiting that as well.
Dr. Salla: Uh-huh.
Corey: Dark Fleet was using 20-and-Back as well.
Dr. Salla: Okay. So how would the Dark Fleet . . . have been doing it, or the Germans? Were they kind of like doing it, the 20-and-Back, with their own citizens or after agreements were reached with the U.S., they were taking a lot of U.S. citizens and making them work in the Dark Fleet for 20 years and then putting them back, or military people?
Corey: Well, in the beginning, the Germans were using it on a much smaller scale than what the Americans were doing. They weren’t using it in earnest until like around the same time that Solar Warden was.
Dark Fleet was kind of working all around us and kind of given free reign. And they were still pulling assets from Earth. They were working on the Lunar Operations Command at times. They were integrated into everything.
So they were getting assets to and from the Dark Fleet using the 20-and-Back as well.
INTERPLANETARY CORPORATE CONGLOMERATE
Dr. Salla: Uh-huh. Interesting. Well, I thought it was really interesting that Professor Eshed kind of identified Mars as the place for this joint U.S.-extraterrestrial base.
Is that kind of like referring to, say, a base that’s run by the Deep State, run by, say, whether we’re talking about the Dark Fleet, we’re talking about Interplanetary Corporate Conglomerate, that they are taking Americans up there and they’re kind of like using them to automatically prepare them for deep space operations or doing research and development?
Corey: Yeah, you have corporate bases – almost all of them Interplanetary Corporate Conglomerate bases. There are some that are just Dark Fleet.
But the ones that he’s discussing are the ones that are built and controlled by ETs, and they have given us access to the facilities, and we go and work there alongside them.
Dr. Salla: Okay. All right. So, when we’re talking about a place like Mars, we’re talking about bases that are either controlled by the Dark Fleet, Interplanetary Corporate Conglomerate or extraterrestrials, and Americans are taken there for different things.
But we’re not talking about any bases on Mars that at the moment come under the jurisdictional sovereignty of, say, the American government.
Corey: You know, there could be small little bases that have been built, especially since I was involved, that are related to the programs that ended up aggregating into the Space Force, some of the military-industrial complex ones, but those typically are smaller, more modular sort of bases that are more in line with what we’re used to seeing depicted in the 60s and 70s in NASA art, more of those types of bases.
And the larger bases that are just completely built out like cities are usually going to be Interplanetary Corporate Conglomerate.
And a lot of the bases that even the military groups use are kind of staffed out, built out and staffed, by the corporate groups anyway.
So there could be a military base that you would consider just for, let’s say, the Solar Warden group. Well, that base was most likely built by Interplanetary Corporate Conglomerate assets and, most likely, there’s at least some management going on inside that base that involves the Interplanetary Corporate Conglomerate even though it’s officially a Solar Warden base.
They’re all just kind of . . . The tentacles go everywhere.
JOINT BASE ON MARS
Dr. Salla: Uh-huh. Okay. So, why do you think Professor Eshed mentioned Mars having these joint bases? Does that mean that we’re going to start to learn very soon about what’s really going on in Mars that there’s multiple things going on over there?
I guess that’s going to blow people’s minds especially the mainstream when they start learning that there are these secret bases up there already that are running.
I mean, people like Elon Musk are talking about sending up their starship, you know, taking three months to get to Mars using methane rockets to take people over there.
He’s talking about 2024 maybe the first one going. But does that all now just become kind of like moot because Eshed’s revealed that there bases already there and American astronauts are already there.
So they’re obviously getting there. They’re not using methane rockets to get there. They’re using anti-gravity craft.
So does this mean that what Musk is doing, and kind of Mars exploration, that all of that’s going to be supercharged as the information comes out that this advanced tech exists?
Corey: What I think is that for years to come we will still be building out this more conventional space technology because there’s going to be a gap. They’ll let us know . . . I mean, they let us know about the Stealth Bomber, but how many of you have flown in one?
We found out about that in the 1980s.
So just because technology is disclosed to us doesn’t mean that you or I are going to be flying around in it.
And if we want to access space and access to certain areas of space, civilians are going to have to still keep building out this technology until it is opened up. It’s not going to be opened up immediately.
But, yeah, it’s going to probably be pretty frustrating for . . . But, you know, I think it would kind of wipe out a trip to Mars in a conventional rocket if they do announce, “Hey, we’re already there. We already have colonies there and we can get back and forth very quickly.”
Why invest in a trip there? So I think it would take the wind out of their sails.
Dr. Salla: Right. I imagine someone like Elon Musk that maybe he would have been very dismissive of this whole Secret Space Program genre then all of a sudden he comes across this Israeli scientist working or having worked at this top Israeli space institute who is talking about this stuff and secret bases.
I mean, mustn’t someone like Musk shift from that position or all this is just BS conspiracy theory. Holy cow! It’s real. This Secret Space Program stuff does have legs to it.
Corey: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think it’s becoming more and more apparent that there’s a Secret Space Program. It’s becoming more and more apparent that extraterrestrials exist. And it’s just below the surface now in the mainstream.
Hopefully, with more announcements like this and work that we’re doing, we will be able to bring it out into the mainstream.
I’m working on doing that on a number of different levels, and the work that we’ve been doing is going to be seen as very important, I believe, in the next few years.
HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE SPACEX TO USE ANTI-GRAVITY INSTEAD OF ROCKETS?
Dr. Salla: Right. So what do you think of the likelihood that someone like Elon Musk can do a quick turnaround rather than . . . because he’s built up his SpaceX industry and they’re now doing rocket launches for NASA and for Space Force and for the NRO that Musk is doing this now.
As he learns more about this do you think he at some point will be briefed? Because imagine when he does receive an official briefing that he’ll say, “Well, yeah, why am I going to waste my time with methane or kerosene rockets when there’s this anti-gravity stuff?”
And with the Tesla car, he’s already been a pioneer in shifting us from fossil fuels to electric cars.
So couldn’t he do the same thing with rockets?
Corey: Yeah, and I believe that he’s working so closely with NASA now.
Once Space Force announces certain technologies, that’s going to slide right over to NASA, and NASA is immediately going to start using these technologies.
And NASA is going to use civilian contractors still to do these new technologies.
So Elon Musk could very well already be prepared to make that shift as far as we know.
From what I’ve been told, there are people that have worked around his organization that know quite a bit. And how much they’re sharing with him, I don’t know, but he at least has access to people that could give him this information.
Dr. Salla: I know he’s working very closely with Space Force. He’s given talks with them and he’s sending up satellites for Space Force.
But I know the Secretary of the Air Force, Barbara Barrett, has actually gone on the record to say that the Air Force needs to declassify a lot more technology.
So, some of the anti-gravity stuff could be slated for release soon. I know that Space Force is in this kind of 18-month setup period ending in May of 2021 that they’ve officially set up. And so they’re ready to go from there. Right now, they’re still consolidating and getting everything sorted out.
But by May 2021, I anticipate that they’re probably going to start getting briefings, or start getting the technologies, that Lockheed, Skunkworks and Phantomworks, Boeing, and whatever Northrop is building. They’re going to start getting briefings on this advanced technology that has been secretly built.
And Space Force is going to say, “Yeah, we want some of those and we’re going to deploy them,” and then things start to open up.
And maybe that’s why 2024 was set by President Trump as the target date for the return to the Moon because he anticipated or maybe his administration or people within it were planning to release this tech before then so that we have manned missions to the Moon again by 2024, because it wasn’t going to happen with the constellation rocket, that’s for sure, because that’s a white elephant.
People are asking, “How could America get back to the Moon by 2024?”
Corey: Yeah, using existing technology that’s secret.
Dr. Salla: Right.
NEW TECHNOLOGIES TO BE RELEASED
Corey: So, yeah, I think that in the next four years, from what I was told about Space Force, was: Yes, they were going to start releasing these technologies. It’s going to be done very similarly to how the stealth planes were done. We’re going to . . .
Around air bases, people are going to see white orbs that disappear and then a triangle is there or another type of craft, and then they’ll see it descending down into an air base in Germany or somewhere else.
People will get some video and pictures of it. It’ll be on the Internet for a while. People will talk about: “Oh, I saw an orb and I saw a triangle at this location.”
And then it’ll start coming more and more into the consciousness. And then just like they did with the Stealth Bomber and fighter, you’ll see one flying in plain view. It’ll be on the news. They’ll talk about this new wonderful technology and how it’s really . . . It just makes sense if you think about it, you know, how this technology works. It’s just amazing that it wasn’t . . . it hadn’t come out before.
It’s going to be done in a really exciting kind of way.
I’ve been told it was going to be done kind of slowly going over the next four years if Trump had a next administration.
WHO WILL BE WORKING WITH ETs IN THE FUTURE?
Dr. Salla: So just kind of shifting tracks back to this kind of like reorganized Super Federation that’s going to take charge of Earth affairs, what do you know is going to happen from the perspective of the ETs or the Galactic Federation or this Super Federation, or what was a Super Federation?
Who’s liaising with the ETs now? Who’s doing the talks, and where are we heading?
Corey: It’s still all of the same people. Deep State people are still in contact with ET groups. The ETs will work with whoever’s in control and try to work to get other people in control.
These same negative ET groups that we would call the Reptilians are still down here interacting with the Deep State. They’re obviously losing more and more power or . . . people are waking up to their power more and more every day.
We also still have Nordic groups, Anshar-type groups, different types of ETs that are coming in trying to assist us in a positive way.
And then we also have many, many other ET groups that just want us to get our act together so they can engage with commerce and exchange of culture, because it’s pretty open out there, and we’re in a little bubble right now, and there are a lot of these civilizations that would like to interact with us and get to know us better.
PRESIDENT TRUMP’S RECENT PERSONNEL CHANGES
Dr. Salla: One of the things that President Trump did recently was he sacked 11 members of the Defense Policy Board, and that included people like Henry Kissinger, Madeleine Albright, Gary Roughead, the former Chief of Naval Operations.
So it looked like he was trying to change something pretty major that was . . . They had a lot of influence behind the scenes.
And I know Henry Kissinger, as far as I can tell, he’s been involved in the whole Deep State, extraterrestrial, global management system for decades now.
So by Trump sacking these people, is he really trying to shake things up, maybe open up negotiations with more positive extraterrestrials groups, saying, “Hey, these Reptilians” or these negative groups, “they don’t have as much power as they once did. So, come to me and let’s make some deal.”
Corey: You know, there could be that aspect to it because of some of the people like Henry Kissinger, who we know are directly involved with Reptilians and other groups.
The briefings I had received was that this was more about taking away what they call “Deep State control” of the Department of Defense and certain Special Forces groups that were being misused by this think tank or however you want to describe it, and that they moved the control of Special Forces back over directly to the Secretary of Defense.
I think it had to do more with also getting in a position to where the DoD wasn’t going to block some of the efforts he may take as next steps if he doesn’t win in the Supreme Court with the election stuff, which I really don’t want to get into on this video too much.
Dr. Salla: Yes. Yes.
Corey: I think it had more to do with that scenario.
THE PUBLIC WILL BE INCREASINGLY HUNGRY FOR INFORMATION
Dr. Salla: Okay. So, overall then, this development with Professor Eshed, I know it’s going to really have a big impact on working professionals who are now going to take a second look at all of this literature.
So I think it’s going to kind of like increase demand for people like yourself and myself who have been doing this kind of research and disclosure.
So, what do you think lies ahead?
Corey: Well, I think that what you said times a thousand when it comes to this information. It’s going to be . . . The public is going to be hungry for it.
We have more and more of this information coming out. I mean, we have just people in their everyday life that are seeing things that don’t make sense that are going on in the world, and that certain conspiracies bear a little bit of merit.
So they’re starting to look at these so-called “conspiracy theories”, you know, conspiracy theory about aliens genetically manipulating the planet. I mean, come on, you know. For the mainstream, that’s crazy.
But now, look at . . . The information’s out there.
So, yeah, like I said, I think our information right now in Hollywood, these topics are extremely popular, esoteric, you know, in general.
- SALLA HAS FIVE BOOKS PUBLISHED ON THE SECRET SPACE PROGRAM
There are many other ways like, you know, I think when this information comes out, you know, your books . . . How many do you have? Five now, or is it more on the Secret Space Program?
Dr. Salla: Five on the Secret Space Program series. [I have] another one in the pipeline.
Corey: Yeah, and those books may become required reading in universities or at least quoted from heavily at some point, you know.
People will start searching these terms, keywords, and more and more people are going to start coming to our work, and I already see it.
I’m seeing subscribers growing, more emails coming in from people that have seen me on, like, Jenny McCarthy or somewhere else more mainstream and not niche.
So interest is growing and I think that the information that we’ve been putting out there is going to be some of the most popular information around here within a few years.
Dr. Salla: Right. I’m enjoying it at the moment, you know, in terms of just connecting all the dots, all of these Secret Space Program revelations that you’ve been doing and others have been revealing for a few years now.
And now with these official acknowledgments and a lot of the documentation that’s coming out, I think that’s just going to be really exciting for anyone that’s trying to put together the big puzzles.
So, yeah, and that for me has always been interesting is, like, you know, what is the big picture? How do all of the pieces of the puzzle fit together?
And now we’re able to fit together the pieces of the puzzle a lot more.
WE MAY HAVE A STAR TREK FUTURE
I’m doing that now with my next book which is focusing on Space Force. I’m just going to do a whole book on Space Force: How it was set up and why it’s threatening the Deep State, and how it connects to kind of like Starfleet, because that’s one of the things that I think . . . well, Roddenberry’s vision of a Star Trek future. You’ve talked about that too a few times. The military wants the Star Trek future.
So, I was really amazed to see that in 2019 there was something called the Space Futures Workshop that was organized by Air Force Space Command, and that’s the predecessor to the Space Force.
And I was really amazed to see that they came up with eight scenarios and their preferred scenario was the Star Trek future. And I thought that was really interesting that why would they choose that?
Corey: Look at the symbol they chose.
Dr. Salla: Yeah. And this was before Space Force was set up that they actually . . . Its predecessor was saying that their preferred option for the future was a Star Trek future and then you have Space Force set up. You have the logos and all of the connections with Star Trek as it was envisaged.
To me it’s almost like back in the past in the ’50s and ’60s someone used time travel technologies and saw, “Okay, in the future we’re going to have something called Starfleet. So let’s start seeding the mass consciousness with that.” And Roddenberry was briefed.
And I talked about that in the Navy Secret Space Program book that Roddenberry was briefed.
PEOPLE’S EXPERIENCES IN THE “20-AND-BACK PROGRAM” CAN BLEED BACK INTO HUMAN CONSCIOUSNESS
Corey: Let me blow your mind even more. The 20-and-Backs, all of the temporal travel that’s going on, you have to visualize it this way.
This is just picking dates out of the air.
Let’s say in 2036, Space Force develops the technology to travel back in time. Well, they’re traveling back in time and working with people back in the 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, pulling them up into 20-and-Backs, working with them in these temporal groups.
So that information, like the people going up and working in these 20-and-Backs and working off planet for Space Force that’s actually in the future are . . . this is going into their consciousness. So it kind of bleeds out in different ways.
So I think that there is a huge temporal part of this puzzle that a lot of people really aren’t paying enough attention to.
And when all of this does come out, it’s going to blow even the minds of people in ufology that have been covering . . . “I know about 58 different ET groups.” “I know about spacecraft that can fly between here and the Moon in a matter of minutes.” And they think they’ve got a good understanding.
But when all of it does come out, the temporal aspect of it is going to be the mind-blowing part.
COULD THE CREATOR OF STAR TREK HAVE BEEN IN A “20-AND-BACK PROGRAM”?
Dr. Salla: Right. So this pulling people out of historical epochs, the 1920s, ’30s, ’40s, and pushing them into this 20-year-and-Back Program, that whatever in the 2030s, 2040s, whatever, and after 20 years they get pushed back, well, that raises the question, “Could Gene Roddenberry have been in a 20-and-Back in the Dark Fleet of the future?”
Corey: Yeah, that’s my question too.
Dr. Salla: Okay. Well, that’s an interesting one.
Corey: Or he was influenced by someone who was.
Dr. Salla: Well, I know he was actually directly influenced by Leslie Stevens, who was the director of “The Outer Limits”. “The Outer Limits” was run by Leslie Stevens and he ran that from ’64 to ’66, [1963-1965] I think was the last season.
And Gene Roddenberry sat in on the second season of “The Outer Limits”.
Now, in the Navy Secret Space Program book, I actually talk about Leslie Steven’s father, who was the vice admiral. He was the guy that worked directly with Rico Botta in setting up the Navy Secret Space Program.
So the son of Admiral Stevens was the guy that introduced – inspired or introduced – Gene Roddenberry to a lot of these ideas.
So it’s quite possible that maybe Leslie Stevens was one of these people pulled out and served in the 20-and-Back Program because Leslie Stevens didn’t just influence Gene Roddenberry with Star Trek, he also influenced Glenn Larson who came up with the “Battlestar Galactica” series originally in the, what was it, the ’70s.
Corey: Wow! “Battlestar Galactica” plays into the whole AI threat.
Dr. Salla: Exactly. So, that would make sense that Leslie Stevens was most probably part of the 20-and-Back Program because his father was working for the Navy as a vice admiral. His father was actually head of a joint intelligence organization set up by the Pentagon.
So Leslie Stevens, the Vice Admiral, was in charge of that.
So if there was a 20-and-Back Program, and that people in the US military back in the ’40s and ’50s were aware of that and saying, “Okay, you can take this guy or that guy.”
That maybe they said, “Okay, take my son, Leslie Stevens. Put him back and put him in the 20-and-Back Program in the future.”
And then Leslie Stevens does the soft disclosure, because, you know, “The Outer Limits”, if you look at the episodes of that, I think they ran for two seasons, but there’s a lot of episodes in there talking about the different advanced technologies that were being used.
Like there’s one episode called, “OBIT . . .”, what is it, “Outer Band Individuation Teletracer”, which is all about tracking people at any time through their resonant frequencies and find out what they’re doing.
And this is an “Outer Limits” episode. So this is advanced tech that was being developed at the time.
So, Leslie Stevens was kind of like seeding the mass consciousness with these advanced technologies, inspiring Roddenberry to do something on a Galactic Confederation on planets in the future, Starfleet, then Glenn Larsen and “Battlestar Galactica”.
So, yeah, I’d say this was probably how it was done.
Corey: You make an interesting argument.
UPCOMING EVENTS AND ACTIVITIES
Dr. Salla: Yeah, wow!
So what can we expect from you in the future?
Corey: Ah, well, let’s see. I’ve got a lot of things going on. The graphic novel is finally on track to finish. It’s turning out very amazing. It’s going to go on pre-sale again here very soon.
You can get it at www.disclosurecomics.com – get on the mailing list. I mean, it’ll go live very soon.
And I do believe that this comic, this graphic novel, is going to be a major collector’s item, especially the pre-edition, the pre-release edition, because we’re taking this as a storyboard into Hollywood.
We have interest here and there on bringing this to a movie or a series.
We’re definitely not going to have a problem getting a docu-series of some sort going on on a channel somewhere that will be seen by many, many millions more people, which will bring people more to our community.
So we have that going down. My online course, “The Blue Avians and the Law of One”, is going to start on January 9.
You can find all of this at www.ascensionworks.tv and you can also find my old course there.
And hopefully next year, www.ascensionworks.tv is going to launch. It’s going to . . . I’m working with Mike Waskosky quite a bit on it. We’re hoping to make it a new sort of social media platform as well as a place to come and watch videos like a Netflix or something like that.
We have a lot of people interested in doing shows for us, so it looks very good there.
I think those are the Number One things that are happening with me.
Maybe some of the people that are watching this video, because of this viral story that’s going around, it kind of sucks somebody new into this video, and they hear us talking about you wrote five books on the Secret Space Program. Where can they find out more information about those?
Dr. Salla: Okay. Well, they can go to my website: www.exopolitics.org or they can go to Amazon. Just type in my name or just type in “Secret Space Programs”. That comes up.
So there is a Secret Space Program series on Amazon that they can learn about.
So, yeah, just come to the website.
And, you know, I’m working on this Volume 6 in the series, and that’s tentatively titled, “The Space Force and The Rise of Starfleet”. I’m very excited that I’m getting close to finishing the first draft of that. So it will be ready sometime around March and April of next year.
And I’m going to be doing with John DeSouza and Laura Eisenhower with “Portal to Ascension” in January. I think it’s the first Saturday in January or something like that. I don’t have the date in front of me, but we’re going to be doing a kind of second Exopolitics and Ascension online webinar. [Note: Here is the link to the webinar: https://portaltoascension.org/event/ascension-exo-disclosure-2021 ]
So that’ll be something where hopefully there’s more clarity about what’s going on at the moment. But definitely, everything is pretty exciting.
And I’m going to be doing more webinars starting at the end of January and go right throughout 2021.
Corey: Very cool. Yeah, the webinars are a lot of fun. They’re a lot of fun and the community seems to love them.
Dr. Salla: Yeah. I love that you can go really deep into an issue and not get so caught up in time management. It’s like you have enough time to really kind of look at all of the facets of an issue.
MONOLITHS APPEARING AROUND THE GLOBE
Corey: Yeah. Well, before we wind this down, I wanted to ask you: Have you been paying attention to all of the weird monoliths popping up everywhere?
Dr. Salla: Yeah. I thought that was interesting. Someone seems to be . . . I think it was an artist because someone from the Leak Project went out there and took a look at one of these monoliths, and they saw rivets and all of that. So it was definitely a human artist who put it together.
So maybe it’s just an artist kind of like trying to attract people’s attention. But, like, totally, whether it’s just a human artist . . . I think it is just a human artist – I think it still . . . archetypally . . . it helps waken people up.
Corey: It DOES help waken people up. It does, but I just had the feeling from the beginning that it was some sort of like mass marketing gimmick campaign kind of thing.
But they started popping up in different countries and different states. There’s been a number of them now. It’s coordinated in some way, but it’ll be interesting to see why they’re doing this, but it’s definitely peaking a lot of curiosity.
Dr. Salla: Definitely.
Corey: Awesome. Well, you know, I think that covers everything that we wanted to discuss. It was pretty exciting when this group of news articles came out discussing this Galactic Federation and joint human-ET bases on Mars.
It’s very exciting for us, especially, because we’ve been talking about it for years, and we’re starting to see more and more come out publicly from both of our information, and I think it’s gratifying but at the same time we’re looking for more, right?
Dr. Salla: Exactly. But it certainly is nice to have that official acknowledgment, and I know in your case you’ve been getting a lot of flak. You have a lot of people out there trying to shoot you down, but I think that’s probably because you’re like right over the target and your testimony is now going to get a lot more attention.
So, I’m very glad to be working with you and putting all this information out.
Corey: Yeah, I appreciate it. You know, the Alliance has been talking to me lately about after all of these events occur, it’s time to start educating the populace. They’ve spoken to me about being involved in releasing media that would discuss the history of humanity.
And I look forward to being involved in that someday. And I know you and others in this community will be involved as well.
I really appreciate all the work that you’ve been doing over the last five years. You’ve been a very pragmatic person, not an emotional person. You’ve been a good loyal friend and you’re doing really great work when it comes to the Secret Space Program and introducing this topic to people. I mean, you’re a professor. You’re releasing this information in a non-sensational way. And I think what you’re doing is really important and I just wanted to say I appreciate the work that you’re doing.
Dr. Salla: Well, thank you, Corey. I’m looking forward to what the future brings to both of us.
Corey: It’s going to be exciting. It’s going to be exciting.
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Transcribed by Sam Ritchie
More interviews and articles featuring Corey Goode are available here.
Related article on Prof Haim Eshed’s revelation is available here
In a video interview released today, Corey Goode unpacks a series five tweets he released on August 16 where he shared new developments on secret military arrests, QAnon, a UFO disclosure war, a possible China coup, a rogue ballistic submarine that is part of a CIA “Dark Fleet”, and major disclosures to come in 2021 of an SSP also called the “Dark Fleet” originally created by a breakaway group of German nationalists in Antarctica. In the interview, Goode responds to my questions about the resumption of informal briefings he has begun receiving again from reliable sources in the intelligence community after a lapse of more than a year, along with what we can expect in the future.
To read Corey Goode’s series of five tweets go to my August 17 article analyzing them, “Insider Reveals UFO & Secret Space Program Disclosure War”
For more articles on Corey Goode’s Secret Space Program Disclosures click here.
Michael Salla, Ph.D.
The first two segments of a four part audio interview series with JP, who has been releasing photos of flying triangles, flying rectangles, flying saucers and other antigravity craft witnessed in the vicinity of MacDill Air Force Base, Tampa, and Orlando, Florida, is now available on ExoNews TV.
JP is a contactee who has had contacts with human looking “Nordic” extraterrestrials since 2008. In addition to ongoing contact experiences with the Nordics, he has also had experiences with a U.S. Air Force run secret space program that has been taking him aboard flying triangles and rectangles.
What makes JP stand out among many contactee/insider claims is that he has taken stunning photos of the craft that he has been taken aboard, and/or belonging to the Nordics. In some cases, JP was encouraged by personnel associated with USAF Special Operations to take photos of their antigravity vehicles.
In Part 2 (released today) we learn from JP how he began releasing photos of flying triangles he witnessed near MacDill AFB, Tampa, Florida, in August 2017, after being prompted to do so from unknown covert personnel. Soon after Hurricane Irma appeared and reached Category 5 on the hurricane scale, and made a beeline for MacDill, which led to its first ever evacuation and closure.
According to JP’s sources, Irma was retaliation for the USAF Special Operations Command making its fleets of antigravity craft known to the general public.
In Part one (released on March 30) we learn about how JP’s contacts began during his early childhood, and resumed in 2008 where he encountered Nordics for the first time. He soon after began communicating his experiences with me and I have kept a record of his encounters and began writing a series of articles on them in September 2017 .
To learn more about JP and the photos he has taken of antigravity craft go to: http://exopolitics.org/jp-articles-photos-videos/
Michael E. Salla, Ph.D.
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- More flying triangles photographed near Orlando, Florida
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- Covert Disclosure of Antigravity Craft near MacDill AFB
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[Special Note: JP recently lost his job after he began sharing his photos with more members of the general public, after repeated warnings of not to do so by personnel associated with the CIA. He has been pressured to join the U.S. military in order to resolve his financial problems, but has resisted since it would impact his ability to share his startling experiences with the public.
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On August 9, 2016, Corey Goode and David Wilcock discussed new video testimony of Clifford Stone regarding his 22 year military career in a highly classified program involving UFO crash recoveries and extraterrestrial communications. The Cosmic Disclosure episode featured a recently recorded video interview with Stone that discussed how he was recruited into the covert program run by the US Air Force, while serving with the US Army (transcript here).
A companion biographical video was simultaneously released with details about his background. The Stone interviews provide important corroborating information about Corey Goode’s claims of serving as an intuitive empath for multiple Secret Space programs involving extraterrestrial communications from 1987 to 2007.
Another whistleblower claiming to have worked in a classified military program as an intuitive communicator with extraterrestrial civilizations is Dan Sherman, who worked in the USAF and National Security Agency as an electronics communications expert for 12 years. I compared the background and covert training of Stone and Sherman in a 2007 research paper. Both Stone and Sherman’s background and covert training has important similarities with Goode’s own experiences.
What follows is an updated repost of a 2005 article discussing my interview with Stone which provides additional information about his covert program, along with links to a transcript of the two part interview which was published in the inaugural 2006 edition of the Exopolitics Journal. Stone described how he would travel to UFO crash retrieval sites in order to telepathically communicate with any extraterrestrial survivors and administer First Aid according to a medical guidebook for 57 extraterrestrial races.
This dovetails with Goode’s claims that between 40-60 extraterrestrial races are involved in 22 long-term genetic experiments on Earth. More correlations between Goode and Stone’s testimony is discussed in the August 9 Cosmic Disclosure episode and future interviews featuring Clifford Stone.
Michael E. Salla, Ph.D.
An Interview With Clifford Stone: The EBE Guidebook*
[Repost with updated links] On July 20, 2005 I completed a phone interview with Sgt Clifford Stone (ret) who discussed at length his involvement in UFO crash retrieval teams during his 22 year military service from 1968-1990. Sgt Stone served in the U.S. Army and claims he was covertly recruited into an elite UFO retrieval team due to his natural ability to interface with extraterrestrial biological entities (EBEs). He claims that he was picked out during his childhood by the U.S. military and had an Air Force Captain regularly visit him on a weekly basis who encouraged Sgt Stone in pursuing his interest in UFOs, and eventually influenced his decision to join the military. Upon joining the military Stone found himself starting a very untypical military career.
Stone says he was initially given training at a Nuclear, Biological and Chemical Warfare facility at Fort Ft. McClellan, Alabama, and then given regular army assignments until called away to perform his crash retrieval duties when required. Stone claims that when required for UFO retrievals he was typically called out to serve for a week. He says that his army service record was distorted to exclude references to his actual training and assignments, and refers to him only performing clerical duties as a typist. Like many whistleblowers, there is controversy over inconsistencies between his testimony and lack of documentary evidence to verify his alleged training and actual service.
The strongest objective support for his claims of having worked in covert UFO retrieval projects is the extensive documentation he has provided to support the existence of covert UFO crash retrieval teams. He was able to use very specific Freedom of Information Acts requests to uncover information disclosing the existence of classified projects such as Moon Dust and Blue Fly that were created to recover debris of UFOs.
For example, in reviewing a Air Force Intelligence letter known as the Betz memo (1961), Sgt Stone was able to reveal to the general public evidence that Project Moon Dust involved a: “potential for employment of qualified field intelligence personnel on a quick reaction basis to recover or perform field exploitation of unidentified flying objects (source).
Even strong critics such as Captain [now Major] Kevin Randle (USAF, ret) acknowledge Stone’s pioneering research in bringing to the public information concerning UFO crash retrieval teams (source). In the preface to Stone’s book, UFOs are Real (1997), another critic, Stanton Friedman, acknowledges Stone’s efforts in bringing into the public arena many documents never before published.
The fact that Stone was able to ferret out the existence of such classified projects despite previous denial of their existence by various military and government authorities, supports his testimony that he had first hand knowledge of these classified projects. Furthermore, these documents support his testimony that he had tried to make available for the public record sufficient information so he would not be punished for revealing the classified information he had personally acquired during his service on these projects.
As many have pointed out, the disclosure of classified information involves severe penalties, especially for whistleblowers for the UFO phenomenon that appear to run the most risk of adverse penalties in disclosing such information (source). Stone catalogued in UFOs are Real numerous documents he had been able to retrieve by FOIA even during his years of military service. Consequently, Stone’s pioneering documentary research into UFO crash retrievals is strong support for his testimony of actually having served on such teams during his military service.
Stone claimed in the interview that during his military service he was monitored by an individual whose rank he was never told but whom he called ‘Colonel’. The Colonel was present at UFO crash retrieval locations and led the debriefing sessions of Stone. He claims that the Colonel allowed him to read a three inch thick notebook manual that contained information on 57 types of extraterrestrial biological entities (EBEs) known to the military.
Stone first saw the “EBE Guidebook” in 1979 and claims that it contained much information on each of group of EBEs in terms of their physiology, food requirements and medical information. He claims he could read the Guidebook when he was serving on the retrieval teams up until 1989. Stone says that the Guidebook was to be used in case First Aid had to be administered to any EBEs found at crash sites. In the interview, he gave the example of Iodine which can be administered for first aid purposes, but can be deadly for some EBEs.
As a whistleblower, there continues to be intense debate over Stone’s testimony and the veracity of his claims. Some of these debates have occurred with critics such as Randle who has also personally interviewed Stone and did not believe him to be credible (source ). Randle’s main criticism is that Stone’s military record only refers to him being trained as a clerk typist. Randle doesn’t accept Stone’s argument that the clerical training on his military record was only a cover for his specialized training in specialized units such as the Nuclear, Chemical and Biological Warfare training facility.
If Stone was only ever a typist, as Randle suggests, then it would be hard to explain how a clerk typist would have knowledge of classified projects such as Moon Dust and Blue Fly that prior to Stone’s successful FOIA requests, were officially denied to exist. Stone’s successful FOIA requests of documents describing classified projects, gives credence to his claims that he had first hand knowledge of these classified projects, and was very likely involved with Projects Moon Dust and Blue Fly as a crash retrieval specialist.
In my interview Stone comes across as very meticulous in his statements, very clear about the information he is revealing, and refuses to speculate on subjects he did not directly experience. The information he provided in the interview was very consistent with earlier interviews conducted by other investigators such as Paola Harris one of which is available online.
Furthermore, Stone had no desire to gain financial profit for his evidence or appeared in any way to be a publicity seeker. He came across as an individual of great integrity desiring to let the American public learn the truth about UFOs and the extraterrestrial hypothesis (ETH) that these are interplanetary spacecraft.
My overall conclusion is that Stone is very credible due to the meticulous nature of his testimony, the consistency in his story, his obvious integrity, and because of the documents he has been able to provide demonstrating the existence of elite UFO crash retrieval teams under the classified Moon Dust and Blue Fly projects.
In terms of a range of ‘soft’ and ‘hard’ criteria to analyze the veracity of whistleblower testimony, Stone ranks very highly both because of his personal integrity and the documents he was able to provide in support of his testimony. The documentary evidence Stone provided of classified projects he allegedly served on, also supports perhaps the most controversial aspect of his testimony that his own military records were altered so as to not reflect his actual training and duties.
The most remarkable aspect of my July 20 interview is the information Sgt Stone claimed existed in the EBE Guidebook. This has very important exopolitical significance that I wish to now elaborate upon. The alleged EBE Guidebook describes the physiological characteristics of 57 types of EBEs. This suggests extensive knowledge was likely gained through a number of sources: UFO crash retrievals; EBE visitations; and/or cooperation with some EBEs who were aware of other EBEs visiting the Earth.
The compilation of such a guidebook suggests a very well coordinated and funded research program exists in the classified projects involving EBEs and ETVs. Such a detailed study gives support to the existence of an Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit that was allegedly created in 1942 to study the UFO phenomenon. The Majestic Documents website includes references and reports by such a unit on EBEs and UFOs which are available online.
The implications of the existence of an ‘EBE Guidebook’ is startling since it suggests that the covert government agencies and military departments dealing with UFOs have long since resolved the truth of the extraterrestrial hypothesis (ETH). The ETH has been demonstrated to be very real, and covert military departments and government agencies have progressed far in cataloguing and analyzing different EBEs. It is also likely that such agencies have developed a very sophisticated analysis of the motivations and activities of EBEs that go far beyond any analysis available in the public arena (source).
In terms of a coordinated national security response by the U.S. authorities, it is very likely that a very detailed strategic analysis of many EBE groups in terms of their motivations, technologies and strategic capacities has already been conducted.
The strategic response is likely to be based on a multiple actor analysis of geo-politics and the involvement of different EBE groups with multiple agendas and capacities. This geo-political analysis is therefore very likely to lead to a ‘balance of power’ analysis of the multiple EBE groups and how various nation states may achieve their strategic goals in response to visiting EBE groups. My own earlier analysis of a hypothetical power politics approach to dealing with EBEs and the ETH is therefore more likely have merit due to the extensive number of EBE groups known to be interacting with humanity.
My own conclusion as an exopolitical researcher is that we have only scratched the surface of what is known by government agencies and military departments about EBEs, their motivations and associated technologies. This suggests that if exopolitical researchers are to influence government policy in how information on EBE groups and ETH is to be disseminated into the public arena, that there needs to be more appreciation of the extensive knowledge gained over five decades of covert research on EBEs and the government response.
This knowledge has been used to develop a strategic response to the multiple EBE groups visiting Earth which implies disclosure of the truth of the ETH would somehow damage the strategic goals of military departments and government agencies responsible for a coordinated national security response. It is therefore up to exopolitical researchers to come up with a persuasive strategic reason for why disclosure not only benefits the public interest, but also appreciably strengthens the national interest of the U.S. and other major nations aware of the truth of the ETH.
The full transcript of the July 20, 2005, interview with Clifford Stone is available in the inaugural edition of the Exopolitics Journal.
* I wish to thank Paola Harris who kindly contacted Sgt Stone to arrange my interview with him.
In July and August this year, successive conferences will be held at Mount Shasta focusing on Extraterrestrial Contact and Secret Space Programs. The organizer of the events, Rob Potter, has been working for nearly four decades with different contactees in the USA, and, more recently, South America. He has a wealth of experience about whos who in the field of benevolent extraterrestrial contact.
What follows is the transcript of an interview I did with Rob on June 17 about why he decided to organize these two conferences, what attendees can expect, who the speakers are, and what they will be presenting.
As one of the featured speakers, I also touch upon some of the material I will be discussing about secret space programs and how credentialed whistleblowers like William Tompkins are now appearing, who substantiate what has been previously disclosed, and the connection with extraterrestrial contact.
Robs conferences in the pristine wilderness of Mt Shasta offer a very rare opportunity for participants to hear cutting edge information about extraterrestrial life and secret space programs, while being able to relax in magnificent surroundings.
Also, there is always the unexpected opportunity such surroundings provide for contact to occur in unique ways, as is suitable for each participant if they are ready for it!
Most want open contact with extraterrestrial life and full disclosure of secret space programs to occur. These two conferences are a step in that direction and I hope you can support them by attending and/or letting others know.
Michael E. Salla, Ph.D.
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Rob Potter Interview with Dr. Michael Salla
June 17, 2016
Transcribed by Sam Ritchie
Dr. Michael Salla: Rob, you are organizing an event at Mt. Shasta for a Bolivian contactee, Luis Mostajo Fernando, in July [29-31]. So why have you decided to work with South American contactees?
Rob Potter: Well, I have to tell you from a very early age when I first found out about things in the UFO field in the 1978, ’79 era, when Fred [Bell] started talking more about the UFO experiences, I heard about the Great White Brotherhood. And I was in contact with George Hunt Williamson, and he had a group in Peru that was talking about the Inner Retreats, the Great White Brotherhood, and I actually had correspondence and they had an invitation, and my heart and soul wanted to go there, but I was 19 or 20 or something, and I could really even muster plane fare down there. It just called to me.
So when I heard about Luis Maertens, and actually through you had some contact your feedback and your article with him really inspired me. And I went down last summer and met Luis and it was absolutely incredible.
We went to this hot springs called Urmirri, which is kind of an Outer Retreat of the Great White Brotherhood and my summer group had a contact/ sighting there. I just feel his message is so humble. There’s no looking for any type of fame or attention. He’s absolutely the genuine real deal, and reminds me very much of Frank Stranges, another Venusian contactee of Commander Valiant Thor, which is a little more business oriented.
Luis is all heart and he explains a lot of stuff. He has repeated physical contact with not only Venusians, but Tau Ceti, Alpha Centauri and the Pleiades physical contacts.
He has, like Corey, been put into a Blue Sphere in Machu Picchu, many years ago, where he was transferred to Ganymede portal, the Jupiter portal, which is a major Confederation training center and contact. He has been to the Inner Retreats of the Great White Brotherhood in the mountains of Illampu, down there, in what’s called The Temple of Purity.
He has also been several times to meet the Master Soromez, who is one of the ancient Atlantean masters, 40,000 years old, who is the primary caretaker of one of the Golden Discs of the Sun. There may be more. But there’s one down there that’s very important.
And I just absolutely adore him. He came to Hawaii this winter and people just gave him a standing ovation. He really revealed the divine feminine in his presentation.
I want his message to get out to the public. That’s why he’s coming, because he’s a real contactee and his information doesn’t go into anything at all in regards to cover-up, government stuff. It’s all positive.
Dr. Salla: Yes, it’s fascinating that he has had for a number of years now these experiences, and he’s reported getting into these devices that are similar to the Blue Spheres that Corey Goode’s been talking about. Luis and the other South Americans call them Xendras, [link] but effectively it does something very similar to what Corey’s described. So it just shows that there is a real continuity here between what different contactees are experiencing.
Rob: Yeah, it’s like a plasma scalar, or some sort of field portal, and it’s blue. So it seems Corey’s not the first person to be traveling in blue orbs spheres.
Dr. Salla: Exactly. One of the things that I found fascinating with Luis when I read his material and learned about his contact experiences was how he first met these extraterrestrials from the Galactic Confederation and he mentioned they have a base on Ganymede, one of the moons of Jupiter.
And he said that one of these beings, actually one of these extraterrestrials, facilitated his contact with this ascended master or master of wisdom, whatever you want to call him, Soromez, from one of the ancient civilizations.
And I thought it was really peculiar, but [it’s] not the first time that I’ve come across this where extraterrestrials actually introduce contactees to these masters of wisdom who are indigenous to our planet. And it strikes me as really strange. Why is it that we as a species aren’t ready to meet these ascended beings from our own world and we need to have extraterrestrials, off-world visitors, kind of do the introduction.
Rob: Well, I think that it may not be necessary in every case, but I think in Luis’s particular contact, he also had contact with Oaxcl. He’s a Venusian and he’s been to Venus too, but I think for me, when I look at this, it confirms for me the greater plan and the unity of the benevolent races.
It goes back, again, to the quarantine. And this has to do with several things. One is, you know, most civilizations live on the interior, according to Valiant Thor, other worlds. And if you’re on the surface, you can be exposed to radiation. And it seems as though that certain historical events and our misuse of nuclear power have kind of denigrated our DNA, as well as what we call the quarantine, where . . . I don’t know what to call them other than evil. Some people call them hostile forces. I don’t want to go into religious stuff, but let’s just say, I would concur with Cobra that we’re being kind of held hostage and that the benevolent forces are absolutely dying to communicate with us and to embrace us once again into the greater galactic family, but due to the hostile, bellicose nature of not only the government, but kind of humanity’s misled reality, has created a situation for them that open contact with us would not be safe for them or for us at this time .
And there is required a certain level of maturity that when they introduce themselves to us, the technology has to come. We’ve already got it in the hands of a small elite crew in the Secret Space Nazi International Corporate Conglomerate Program that are misusing this. They’re using it for their own power, their own aggrandizement, and there is a lack of respect for the surface population and what we are. They call us ‘useless eaters’.
We are still taking oil out of the ground in greed. We are not quite ready for that technology. And they want to give it to us, but it has to be done in a proper way and we cannot be misusing it. We must be trained in the universal laws of Ubuntu, like we are our brothers keeper. We have a law of allegiance; a law of allowance that provides for freewill. You can do what you want as long as other people are not hurt.
So we have to kind of mature or ripen in wisdom as a people. I think they could contact us immediately and begin this process, but the mass media, people’s ignorance, superstition and fear, are some of the reasons, but I think primarily, it has to do with the safety of the surface population. As you know, Michael, in the past many people were murdered for the information that Corey’s is getting out and many are still working behind the scenes.
And god bless the military and the Secret Space Program guys. They are doing their best as they see it from their military viewpoint.
So we do have contact directly. It doesn’t have to be an ET contact, but we do have contacts directly with ascended masters. It’s historical visions of like over Egypt the Coptic Church of the Ascended Master Mary during a time of great strife between the Coptic Christians and the Muslim. Mary appeared over the most famous Coptic Church in Egypt. I actually visited there near Luxor and the apparition sighting managed to calm the tensions down. It was kind of a mystical light appearance to calm the ignorance of religious intolerance. So that’s a female ascended master showing. We also have other ones as well.
I’ll say this. The inner earth group called The Great White Brotherhood, from my understanding, was formed about 10,000 years ago, and was part of this 40-race group that came here to really try to clean up the Earth’s hostile environment and to begin what’s called the Rahma Mission of direct contact with the masses.
Normally, they contact the world through their governance, but our governance is corrupt. So they’ve decided to do what’s called the Rahma Mission and that’s contacting individuals like Frank Stranges, you know, any individual contactee, Alex Collier, Fred Bell, Frank Stranges, could probably fall under that individual contactee umbrella that is bringing the messages directly to the people. And so many more now. It’s really just increasing.
Dr. Salla: Luis, Ricardo Gonzalez, Sixto Paz Wells, and other South American contactees, emphasize spiritual exercises and personal transformation as a key for extraterrestrial contact and understanding of what UFOs are all about. So how does that mesh with the more scientific tradition in North America, especially the U.S., of relying on physical evidence to understand what’s happening with UFOs?
Rob: Yeah, I would have to say maybe it doesn’t mesh with the scientific minded orientation that is materialistically oriented . It’s coming from One. But I think we do have to have both. I mean, the way we are in our consciousness and the way we think with the one sided approach of dualistic material. And that’s kind of where we’ve gone is in limited view that can only be proven by materialistic scientific means.
We have made science our god and we don’t allow faith or intuition. Science only takes you so far. There’s only . . a close-ended never ending cycle. Intellect [and logic] are steps on an endless ladder and throughout the materials world you will never end your learning or growing in intellectual awareness, but wisdom, and spiritual experience, comes from the soul.
And the science of the soul is learning about the ancient knowledge, which is galactic and human . . . We have a historical human aspect to the spiritual development, but it’s been hidden. It’s been attacked. The people involved in it have been burned at the stake and ostracized, so there have been what are called mystery schools or occult, which simply means hidden, just like the Jesuits and the breakaway civilizations which are self serving in their secrecy. The lineages of Light have been forced to keep their teachings more or less secret out of a need for safety and to be free from persecution through out the ages.
And these teachings are available. For one who seeks, one can learn these teachings. For me, through Fred Bell, I came in through the spiritual. I was looking for communion with spirit. And the true nature of the self, who we are and where we came from. And he led me to Alice Bailey, which some people find controversial, Madame Blavatsky, and, of course, Manly Hall’s book and also the first important book he told me to read was The Autobiography of the Yogi.
And this book very clearly unified the universal Christ in all religions and that’s where I came from in my search for truth. And I was thinking, personally I thought, back then that we have to get rid of technology. It’s a mess. We need to go back to the Native American ways and become very close with the land. And we can sacrifice some of our toxic comfort that we’ve created for a harmonious non-invasive spiritual connection of family that we would have.
There are different principles that are involved in that. So I came to it through that and then when I started having my out-of-body-experiences with the Pleiadians, and the contact experiences, it was very inter-dimensional and very hard to process intellectually.
They showed me some things and I was like, Ah-h-h. We CAN be spiritual and harmonious with nature. And we can time travel and live with abundance, prosperity and very high technology.
So it became apparent to me that they can be fused. So it’s wisdom. And one of the teachings of the Hindus is called the Jnana and the Bhakti. The Jnana is the intellectual process of realizing God and having everything together. And Bhakti is the devotional or faith-based aspect, where all you do is pray and chant and sing and dance and commune with spirit through your heart and feelings.
They say that in the end the Bhakti must become the Jnani and the Jnani must become the Bhakti. We must fuse our wisdom and experience with our intellectual side. The other thing we have to realize is that not everything can be explained. There are unknowable things and yet we can connect to this vast wisdom this pool of omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence.
Through our own living flame, or the word of God, that lives within us, which some people call the Atman there’s different names for this direct connection. The soul, the essence of who we are is part and parcel of everything. We’re a holographic reflection. And if we can connect to that, then we can intuitively know we don’t intellectually think about every action, but we’re just choosing the proper course of wisdom and love in our daily actions through our accumulated ability, awareness, to connect to the universal Source.
So wisdom and love, intuition and faith, are just as important as the scientific things. So I think you can come at it from both ways and eventually the intellect has to succumb to the greater reality on a certain level.
Dr. Salla: Right. I agree that there has to be some balance between the two and I like the way you approach it. And so you’ve met a number of U.S. contactees. You mentioned Fred Bell. So have you found that there are differences between the South American contactees and the North American contactees?
Rob: I wouldn’t say particularly in general. I think the Southern American contactees, Luis Fernando Mustojo Maertens I love that he’s got four names and you’ve got Sixto Paz Wells, Ricardo Gonzalez, primarily that I know of. I’m sure there are others, but these gentlemen have been contacting the same individuals under the umbrella of the same mission and been getting a lot of similar information.
So in that sense, they’re very similar.
The Venusian, Valiant Thor, has several contacts. Dr. Frank Stranges is one of the only public figures I know. I know the names and individuals of some others that were on what is called the Council of Twelve from Dr. Frank. And there’s a gentleman in Switzerland that’s mentioned. But there contacts are very similar because they’re very spiritual oriented, although they do encompass world affairs and are observing what’s going on.
I met Daniel Fry back in the day. Gabriel Green was one of my greatest mentors. And he and the Bill Tompkins story we mentioned privately, Frank Chile my friend, what a great guy. I just love Frank. He was always so warm, always so enthusiastic, and he could just tell tale upon tale upon tale of benevolent space family contact.
Michael Elegion to a lesser extent. He’s had physical contact. He’s not directly permanently in contact, like Dr. Frank or Fred. And, again, you have Alex Collier, let’s see, Daniel Fry, Gabriel Green . . . Those are some of my primary teachers. Dr. Frank Stranges and Fred, and I did get to meet Alex personally some years ago. And then he’s come to my conference.
There’s a difference between a telepathic communication and a physical contactee that just has that real experience of that decontamination the process of going up and the communication and some of them on mother ships. It just leads to this absolute presence that you just look at them and you . . . you know, for people who intellectually look at them from a distance and that’s all hooey, as you know from your multiple contactee experiences and you have your own experience with Luis there where a ship came in on cue like with our group in South America.
We hope to have that happen at Shasta this summer, but there’s this presence. Would you agree that they just have this look in their eye and their stories don’t change, and it’s very powerful. I mean, I’ve had limited experiences and my stories don’t change. But I have not had that on-going face-to-face contact.
So I just have to say that the face-to-face ones are the most bona fide for me. I would say that most of them that I know of and I’m not talking about abductees, I just don’t go with the Travis Walton and the Whitley Strieber, bless them. But I’m not in to any Grey implant abduction scenarios left, right or center. I think that process needs to be clarified as a difference between face-to-face contact.
I think they’re all, almost every single one that I know, has been benevolent. I think they have their own perspectives and what their missions are with the Earth people. And they have their own approaches. And not every single one of them knows every bit of history of ever minutae on the Earth and many of those groups wh are contacting individuals don’t know what the other groups are doing with the other contactees!
So we have this . . . We don’t have a unified, blanket come down where every contactee says this and that and this and that. They all have a slightly different perspective on different things and are revealing different things.
But I would generally say that most of them come in peace with love in their hearts. And of these groups, I think the Venusians are pretty up there. The Pleiadians, you know, they have different historical things and what they revealed and what they don’t reveal and who they contact. You know, the Venusians are very, just generally, always extremely positive. And their civilization for some of them is based on the astral plane so they’re well above anybody from Planet X or the Pleiades or some of these physical civilizations. They’re in a higher dimension. They’re kind of beyond the physical plane already in a sense.
So it’s discernment and a processing things through our hearts. But I think if we look at the benevolent contacts, Sheldan Nidle, although he repeats a lot, my sources have indicated – one of my Venusian contacts indicated – he’s the real deal. And he has very positive intentions and I’m not sure about what he’s saying the intel. It seems kind of repetitive to me, but I know Sheldan personally and he’s a sincere, honest guy.
Dr. Salla: Yes, he’s been around for a long time, but I do like what you said about the difference between the contactees with benevolent extraterrestrials or those who’ve had friendly contact experiences the difference between that experience and those with telepathic communications.
You know, one of the things I’ve found with the contactees that I’ve met is that in their presence there’s this really beautiful, uplifting energy. It’s just that everyone gets lifted up to new possibilities and it really reminds me of being in ashrams or when you’re in the presence of very spiritually-evolved people that it really is something very special when you’re around these people and like you said, their eyes light up and it’s a wonderful experience.
And I’m not surprised that these people were chosen by the extraterrestrials for those kinds of qualities, because really they’re ambassadors. They’re galactic ambassadors.
Rob: Yes, I can tell you they all have personal problems, struggles, and they’re all not perfect and they deal with a lot of stuff. But at the end of the day, they subjugate to the mission and their spiritual connection is strong. But they have . . . They’ve gone through their doubts.
Fred used to say that it was very difficult to come back off the ship. So he switched pretty early on. He got to go to the planet Lyra in the Pleiades and he actually piloted the ship once over the Air Force base we stopped and he went up for a ride.
He didn’t like coming down like Alex Collier. You know, the famous quote Alex is getting off the ship. He’s crying. He doesn’t want to come back and I love this quote from I think it was Vyasis or Moranae, excuse me Alex if I err. whoever it was, but they said, Alex, the pain you carry is the love that you withhold.
And that’s a very high statement and easily said intellectually, adored, but to actually process that in a physical body and to really do that is not so easy. I could talk about love and light and understand the process and meditate as much as I can. And then there’s the human element where we all, not everyone maybe, not you, Michael, but we all I certainly fall short and I react. People attack me on the Internet and sometimes I just go . . . I respond . . . I probably shouldn’t and should just let it go.
Some people say I’m sending them, you know, porno. I can’t even create my own website. Me hacking stuff is ridiculous. But, you know, I take personal offense sometimes and I should not return anger with a snide comment. But we’re all human, so . . .
A lot of the contact experience is a tremendous burden and Luis’s really good at it. He’s always so light and loving. Dr. Frank was the same way just always full of joy and love for God and their eyes . . . It’s a powerful thing.
Dr. Salla: Right. So you’ve decided to hold the event with Luis at Mt. Shasta in July. And I then that’s going to be followed, I think a month later, with the Secret Space Program event at Mt. Shasta at the end of August. So why did you choose Mt. Shasta for the two summer conferences?
Rob: Well, for me, actually, my son was . . . I lived there in 1995 to kind of just get out of the rat race. I was a beach boy. I never thought I would get into this mountain living so much and Mt. Shasta I thought was a short trip, but I fell in love with the mountains. I’m a beach boy and now I’m a mountain man.
There’s something so powerful there. I had so many experiences with some close contacts and some energetic overshadowing. I lived in the unique location called Morningstar. And I was having a lot of, let’s say, ascended master and ET-type revelations there. And it’s a spiritual pilgrimage location due to the fact that there is one of the largest underground bastions of the Galactic Confederation, The Great White Brotherhood, is the Mt. Shasta and adjacent area complex.
They have never been breached. They are extremely loving and powerful and will play a very big part in the future for education of humanity.
I’ve lived there on and off for 20 years. I could never really support myself. My son was born there so I’d always go back and forth during the summer and run out of money and then go back to my healing work in Southern California. I just love it.
And I have great connections there. And it just kind of happened. I started small and I’m in my sixth conference, or seventh this summer with these two. I’ve been very careful and prudent not to overextend myself and they’ve been successful.
And the great thing about these conferences, as you know, Michael, the presenters are one thing, but it’s the energy. You’re meeting 150 people who are the black sheep, understanding the spiritual information, who have felt isolated with their inner understanding. Sometimes there are sightings and communications.
And here they get to go and everybody you see, almost everyone, is very positive. And they can share stories and reaffirm their knowledge that they’ve gathered, that others are assimilating the same process.
And, of course, we’re in the shadow of Mt. Shasta. James Gilliland, when he was coming, I mean, we were having light shows every night come on down. If you want to go out and watch UFOs.Power up! And do that kind of thing. You could see it.
And I just love Shasta. I think it’s a great environment. It’s a little pricey because people have to travel there plus the conference fees, but I think it’s well worth it. Lifetime relationships are established. We have a Facebook page and people keep in touch
There’s a sense that . . . I like to bring the spiritual aspect to it – the process of attaining wisdom, of meditation. And the mystical side of developing ourselves through understanding our – let’s call it our – esoteric anatomy of our glandular functions and how the process of contact can take place for us individually and to reaffirm that in a group setting. That’s one of the reasons I love it. Plus, it’s just darn beautiful.
Dr. Salla: Right. Yes, I know. I have been there last year at the event. The vibration is really wonderful. The people are great. And it’s very friendly and very open and I can’t help but think that this is the kind of environment for people that are attracted there would actually be something that would lead to some kind of physical contact.
Of course, you mentioned the Inner Earth civilization and, of course, extraterrestrial, or the flying saucer craft are seen directly there . We could imagine that there might actually be some contact, so do you think that this is one of the things that you would like to happen whether it’s at this conference or one of the future conferences that there would be a kind of contact event at your Mt. Shasta conference?
Rob: Well, I can tell you that Luis is famous for programmed contacts and that kind of contact is very possible this year. The Forest Service is giving us permission and I’m aligned with them. We’re not going to be going into any general public areas. We’re going to a non-disclosed location on a certain day at a certain time.
The second conference is more intellectual and we don’t have a contactee like Luis, who can literally bring them in, but we will stay on the property, which is very nice. So there’s a possible contact.
I’d like to say that in Dr. Frank Stranges meetings, I know for a fact I met two people from Venus there. They were telepathically communicating with me. They were from Venus, but I was kind of . . . One of them I was kind of having a cat and mouse thing. It was a girl, actually. My girlfriend at the time was jealous. Like, What the heck stop flirting with her ? I just shook my head. You can’t explain that kind of thing.
We had a dialect/telepathy and she kind of led me into certain areas of research. She was one on the cover of a famous picture of Valiant Thor. I believe they called her Jill. But she was in Dr. Frank Stranges inner circle meeting, and she just lit up the room, smiled at me. Every time I turned she just smiled like, Good for you, Rob. You figured me out. But don’t say anything and let’s just have our regular conversation. And that’s the way it was.
And there was another gentleman who initiated me in to the Order of Melchizedek, which is a thing and he wasn’t there for the two days. He came on the last day. He wasn’t there before lunch, but he was there from the after-lunch to the next break and then he was gone.
He had long blond hair to his shoulders. Extremely good looking a guy. And when it came to put all the members put their hand on the other members and there’s a prayer and I made a pledge and an invocation, and this guy put his hand on top of my head and he locked eyes with mine and I was kind of thinking, Oh, it’s this. I was kind of embarrassed. I had forgotten that I had signed up for it.
Something told me, Take this very seriously. And when he put his hand on my head, there were electrical currents. It was a very positive experience and I thought, I kind of want to find that guy after the thing, and they kind of blocked my remebering ability to do the Jedi mind-trick and blocked my mind and I couldn’t look for him.
They’re very much like us. I can promise there’s probably been an ET or two at my conferences. You’ll never know. It’s just not important that that be revealed at this time. But they’re watching these type of things especially with Luis, Alex, James. Of the guys that come to my conference, I think those guys have a very strong connection.
Cobra as well. You know, there’s a feeling that they’re watching these meetings very closely looking at people’s reactions to see who’s presenting, how it’s being presented, and if it’s coming off in a grounded way at the same time with a spiritual content. So there are contacts going on at these groups. I would say they’re not openly public, but who knows.
I would like . . . Maybe we’re with Luis, we’ll get one of those South American contacts he’s famous for where the UFO goes over the hill and three people have a contact. By the time the rest of the group gets there, they’re gone. But it could be very cool.
Dr. Salla: Yes. Why does information about Secret Space Programs have a catalyzing affect on people in the New Age and the UFO communities? People can’t seem to get enough of that information of these classified programs, so is that a sign of a global awakening?
Rob: Yeah, I think this, again, is coming from the research perspective, people are going to have felt a lot of the ETs is secret government stuff, which it has been, but I think that there is a . . . it’s more realistic for us to think about that. The revelations that they’re getting in regards to hyperspace and the science, the hard science, like on my website the Secret Space Program . . . If you click on that slider banner, there’s a gallery of photos.
I was contacted in 2011, by a guy who owned a company. And he gave me all these pictures of the technology. And you can see the advanced different technologies that they were using and lots that probably weren’t revealed. They showed little saucers and stuff.
I think people really understand now. They’re coming in through this government cover-up, the Nazi development of this technology, which goes to the mystics, the Thule Society, those women that started it with a spiritual intent and it got basically railroaded and hijacked. The contacts, all of a sudden, switched to the tall, long-nosed Greys and the hostile groups with the Hitler, you know, superior race vibe going on that really skewed the possible benevolent revelation that could have come forward at the time.
People are getting a little education and they’ll come in to the more spiritual positive elements once this dirty deeds, done dirt cheap-type of stuff that’s going on with the Secret Space Program, the Nazis, and that whole thing that’s been, you know, joining with the Dracos, allowing humans to be abducted and implanted, you know, the energetic loosh that David Wilcock talks about sucking people’s life force through fear of little children, pedophilia and murder for these Earth-based elitist . . . This stuff is so heinous, it’s just, you know, it’s hard to turn away, but it’s something that needs to be exposed.
I think the reason this is coming out now is humanity needs to understand this seamy underbelly so that we can expose it to the light of day and like a bit of mold, in the sunshine it will just dissipate and blow away. People will stop paying attention to these negative actions of the elitist criminals and simply un hook from The Matrix and the control system will be revealed for what it is and people will no longer . . . They’re going, you know what, I don’t care about my job at this point. I’m just fed up. I’m a slave. And they’re out and they’re making their own way.
So I think part of it is for humanity to gather traction into understanding the level of cover-up. I mean, if we take Corey Goode’s information, imagine the billions of dollars that have been made on pharmaceuticals. Imagine the pain and suffering that has gone into little children with cancer and all of these horrible diseases that people have had.
And the Venusians offered this to us in ’57. They said, We’re going to offer you help The Confederation wants to give you free energy, communication, transportation technology that kind of benevolent interaction, but you have to put away nuclear power and end all of your wars. That’s a prerequisite.
And they just said, Sorry, we’re not going to do it. We wouldn’t be in power. And they said, Yeah, give us your technology.
And they said, No, when we give it, we land and it goes to everyone.
And they said, Well, we’re already getting it from the Dracos, the Greys and Reptilians. Screw you. Stay away. You land and we’re going to hunt you down and kill you.
And some of the people in the military, who have been following this, many of them have been compartmentalized. Many of the higher Commander Bethune, Admiral Webster, . . . I forget some of the names, the main guys. They haven’t been happy with the cover-up, but the military mind likes secrecy and power and there’s an aspect of that that when they figured it out, it was so hard . . . Who are you going to take out, because it wasn’t a political person.
The presidents and the people in the front, except for George Bush, Cheney and some of these higher . . . like the Clintons . . . are definitely in on the program and understand what’s going on for their own selfish aggrandizement. They sell their souls and create wars and all the false flags that are going on, this Orlando thing, and all that.
We have to understand that some of the individuals in there have . . . you know, who do you contact and create a cadre of resistance within the military? It is a tough nut to crack.
Some of them have been in contact with these space families and the secret technology program and developing spiritual consciousness along side of technology.
So I think there’s a cadre of them and they’re so secret and have been working in the underground space program who have not liked what’s been going on. The themes, the general tone of secrecy and murder and keep the power at all costs, because people can’t handle it. I have to agree with Cobra, that’s a lie.
Randy Cramer, I adore him. He is a true patriot and that’s a guy I want on my side. He says that the Marines have analyzed demographic data, blah, blah, blah, and the disclosure has to come a certain way or there will be chaos in the streets.
I feel there’s chaos on the planet. There’s murder, death and destruction, and people will be able to process the truth. And unlike Jack Nicholson: You can’t handle the truth. People can handle the truth.
It’s going to be difficult. There will be certain things that will be shocking, but we need to have this full disclosure. And, Michael, again, I told you before, I think you are the finest writer in the field of exopolitics in that you’re very grounded. You lend a sympathetic ear and you maintain your integrity as a journalist.
And I think the more enlightened and aware people out there who can do that as we move forward, we just seeing a massive explosion now of this information. It’s getting to go . . . It’s going viral, but it’s still fringy and there’s a lot of people who want to get involved very quickly and come up to speed, but they don’t have the wisdom and experience or discernment so sometimes the storyline is not as grounded to many people . . . It’ll all happen in it’s own sweet time.
Dr. Salla: Yes, it’s definitely something that’s mushrooming. There’s a snowball effect here. I’ve noticed there just seems to be more and more people being drawn to this field the Secret Space Programs. It certainly is something that people have more attention for.
Well, Corey is going to be the featured speaker at your August Secret Space Program conference. Now, what can the public expect to hear from him and how interactive is it going to be for the audience and the speakers?
Rob: Well, the great thing is, Michael, you are coming as well. So you have, besides David Wilcock, you have the most insider contact with Corey and are dialoguing with him in regards to the history.
Now, Corey has kind of been thrust into this position. He’s an empath. I think he’s becoming more comfortable speaking, but he has kind of a shy side. And the great thing is you’re going to be able to lay the groundwork for him and I offered for him to do a presentation. I’m not sure what he’s going to present. But, we will be having at least four hours with Corey on Saturday and Sunday, which will include – and he’ll be there Friday night too direct questions from the audience.
We’re going to hand out 3×5 cards, and we’re going to vet them for the more interesting questions. But I’m expecting a 150 to 160 people, if all goes well.
You can write multiple questions. And we’re going to vet them a little bit. They need to kind of be on point. And we’re going to have some great questions and let Corey answer them. We’ll probably have a microphone for follow-up questions, but it gets kind of time delay. So I think I’m going to read the questions directly to Corey on stage there.
Corey has a wonderful team around him. We’re going to have it professionally video-taped and sound. And I’ve tried to do this several times, but I think this time we’re really going to pull off a great recording for people who can’t make it to actually see it. The live stream energy won’t be there, but I think we’re going to pull it off this time. We cannot live stream unfortunately, folks. It’s deep in the forest and there’s no cell phone or Internet connection there.
So I think we can look forward to wonderful conversations with Corey on stage. He did say he wants to, for those involved in the Disclosure Project . . . Some of the primary people will be meeting there for the first time. And I think we’re going to have a private luncheon or two for those people who are involved in wanting to become part of the general populace to serve the awakening to the general populace they’re our brothers and sisters.
This is real. We’re not fringe. We’re not crazies. And this needs to be revealed to the public. At the very least we’re going to get free energy and get rid of nuclear power.
Andrew Basiago says teleportation devices come in pretty quick. There’s lots of toys that can come from that, but for me, it’s an understanding of liberation and letting the truth come out. Let those Nazis go ahead and keep their little program and do their thing and we’re going to surpass them because we’re oriented in love, fellowship, unity and the common good of all.
Dr. Salla: About a month ago you did an interview with both Corey Goode and Cobra. So what did you learn from the interview? What are the highlights? What were the main lessons for those wanting to corroborate information about Secret Space Programs?
Rob: Well, one of the things I learned is that they’re both extremely busy. Just coordinately that thing took me three months on time. Corey is . . . a good family man and he takes his family life seriously and it was hard to get them together, but . . . And I love Cobra. I’ve supported him for years. I have, you know, some differences of opinion a little bit here and there. I’m a little more . . . I’m very comfortable with the word ‘God’. I don’t think it’s a machine. I think it’s a living, loving creation and certain aspects of the spiritual lineages of Light, I think, are important.
But this was a very Secret Space Program-oriented one. When I normally give an interview, I have a conversation with Cobra or something, and a lot of people think I’m just an interviewer and that’s not my personal style.
I have my own experience and I want . . . I use the interview to educate myself. So I generally have conversations and give backgrounds to questions that the audience wouldn’t know if I was to say, Hey, Bob Renaud said this and . . .
Unless there’s a background, people don’t get it. So usually do that. For this interview, due to them both asking the same questions, I was very regimented and disciplined and I asked direct questions to both of them.
And what I was trying to get from that interview, was a spiritual aspect to what’s going on with the good guys. Corey talks about it, but his information has been woefully at least what I’ve seen so far not sharing benevolent contact. It’s like we’re getting a birdseye view, but we really don’t know what they’re talking about.
We see these good guys doing this and that, but there’s really no personal . . . like Alex Collier’s very personal interactions with Morenae and Vysayus. How he’s feeling and what they’re thinking about us is bereft in Corey’s dialogue. It’s mostly very much like, I went up there and I did this and that. He’s not briefed on where he is going or anything so it is tough for him. So I was trying to get more of that from Corey.
And Cobra shared that side of his knowledge of the Confederation, and Corey and them basically supported each other in a lot of information in regards to the control Matrix and the technology that’s used.
They had some differences in views in what Corey calls the artificial intelligence and Cobra calls the primary anomaly in regards to it being a technology or a universal natural source. And I had to side with Cobra on that in that I feel that it is a technology that is run by, let’s call them, powerful fallen beings in direct opposition to what is considered universal law and order.
And this is something that’s still not clear to us. We’re beginning to see the differences here and we probably won’t get clarity and all of us are going to have, Oh, I really didn’t see that one coming, as contact, first contact, moves to the forefront and open, transparent interplanetary culture exchange takes place as oppose to the piecemeal stuff when we finally do get our benevolent Elohim, Seraphim, Family and the various non-material and material beings openly communicating it will be clearer. When our interaction history with various groups and the timelines are laid bare to us as a populace through open disclosure. Even through the United Nations, albeit a readjusted United Nations, Then with a open and free mass media that’s not controlled and we can actually judge for ourselves. And, of course, there’ll be face-to-face contacts.
We really just need to be sure that when it’s done it’s done properly. I would really suspect that if disclosure, ETs, are presented to us from Obama and the Queen of England, I’m really going to . . . I would have to agree with Alex that it’s a false flag introduction that may come forward.
I know they have plans for that. They’ve had a lot of plans that haven’t come through, though, so it’s very possible that the good guys may be able at some point to directly intervene when it’s safe enough to reveal the truth to humanity. And we can decide on our own and be happy and not happy with some of our historical contacts and get it cleared up. What’s the difference between the Sumerian’s contact and the Atlantean time.
And the Biblical stories have to be put into perspective of what’s happening – the men of renown, David and Goliath, the giant cyclops. All those kinds of things will be cleared up and we’ll definitely probably get a book of who’s who from where and how long they’ve been here and their histories and struggles to become a super civilization, and we’ll take our place amongst the stars as brothers and sisters and equals with our space family out there.
It’s an exciting time, but it’s confusing. Keep your hands and arms inside the spaceship at all times.
Dr. Salla: Well, one of the other presenters is going to be Laura Eisenhower, the great-granddaughter of President Eisenhower. So why is her information important for learning about Secret Space Programs? And what are we going to hear from her?
Rob: Well, I love her. I like to call her a tigress for the Light. She is enthusiastic. She’s deep metaphysical and I actually spoke with one of my upstairs contacts the other day – upstairs, downstairs kind of thing and they said she definitely brings the divine feminine and the Sophia energies and has a deep understanding of the mystical and religious and spiritual experience.
William James . . . all spiritual and mystical experiences have certain things in common they are transcendental are ineffable. You can’t talk about them. They’re transcendental in nature. And this is the aspect that goes beyond reason. It’s kind of like a swoon. It’s like a direct feeling consciousness. It’s kind of like, how can you explain what happens when really good music hits your soul? It touches you. It just moves you.
I mean, you could say, Well, the resonance of the sound vibrations effect the typhonic membrane etc. Some times you know, you’ve got to get into the feeling and that’s where the women come in. Men are centered in reason and women consciousness is centered in feeling. The grey matter in the brain, and you have grey matter in your diaphragm, and if you, huh, huh, you watch and athlete when they pant from that kind of animalistic diaphragm, that’s the center of feeling at the tip of the breastbone and that’s where women are typically very much more in tune than the masculine.
Not that men aren’t aware or can’t be with feeling and women can’t have giant intellects and be super intelligent, but until we integrate those aspects within ourselves in a positive way, the women are very in tune with feeling. Sometimes men think it’s too much and don’t acknowledge feeling and women think we’re just thick idiots because we’re not processing information from the grey matter in our diaphragm.
Laura has . . . her bona fides by her genetic grandfather and her being approached by the Secret Space Program on Mars as well . Her and I are the same way when it comes to sometimes stream of consciousness talking and all of her views on the government. She goes right to the point . . . I mean, false flags, media control, vaccinations. She’s like me, just bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp. We align on almost everything.
And she is . . . got the heart space too. And women need a voice. I really am impressed and love her to death.
I’ve been trying to get her to come for years and I’m just so happy she can come this year. We’re looking forward to some great stuff from her.
Dr. Salla: Right. Well, in my presentation, I’m going to be covering a lot of the material from William Tompkins. One of the things I’ve found really very supportive coming from him was how much his information dovetails with Corey Goode’s. Bill actually read my book, Insider’s Reveal Secret Space Programs . . . a lot of it is based on Corey’s testimony. And he was really shocked at how much it matched with his own experiences in going back, right back to 1942 when he was working with the U.S. Navy He finished working with the Navy League, [after leaving] the aerospace industry, around the year of 2000.
So it’s synchronicity and corroboration there, and what Tompkins brings in is a lot of documents, a lot of credible people, that actually support his testimony, or support him as a witness. One of the things that I did was I was able to track down a couple of the Navy officers that actually worked with Bill Tompkins when he was up in Medford, Oregon, not all that far from the Mt. Shasta area.
And actually there’s an interesting connection there with Mt. Shasta. It’s that . . . these [two] Navy officers said that Tompkins was the real deal. He was talking about extraterrestrials and that Tompkins was in charge of these special projects. Tompkins had a document basically showing that the Navy League actually was discussing these special projects. And he discussed some of them.
But one of the special projects that I thought was very interesting was that he said that a lot of the mainly retired Navy officers and the reserve Navy officers there were pilots. And so one of the special projects was to actually track extraterrestrial visitors, or more correctly we’d say, just the flying saucers, that were entering and leaving Mt. Shasta.
That they observed these hidden entryways into Mt. Shasta. And so they had these planes up there trying to find out where the ETs were entering and leaving, and I think some of those might have been Earth civilizations. That they also actually had these off-road vehicles going up Mt. Shasta to find out, or to find these hidden entryways.
So definitely there’s this very interesting connection with Shasta. So I’ll be talking about his information.
But what I find very encouraging with William Tompkins coming forward now . . . a year after Randy Cramer first came forward and then Corey Goode came forward in September of 2014. Then in December of last year, Bill Tompkins book appears, Selected by Extraterrestrials.
It seems to me, that this is part of [an orchestrated plan]. . . I mean you couldn’t plan it better, because in a way, Randy Cramer, Corey Goode, present their experience, but they have no documents. There’s no kind of professional aspect of who they are as individuals in terms of education, careers, that support, directly supports, their testimony. But they put the story out.
And then a little bit later you have Bill Tompkins coming on the scene supporting what Corey has said, what Randy Cramer has said. But in Tompkins case, he actually has the background, the professional background. He has the documentation, the corroborating witness testimony.
So what I think is happening here, it’s almost like there’s this divine script happening, because there’s a lot of professional people that say, Ah, Corey Goode and Randy Cramer, you know, nonsense. Where’s the hard evidence?
Those same people, when you present the data with William Tompkins, they’re eyes pop out they say, Well, really? Well, this guy’s the real deal. And he’s actually supporting what Corey has said, what Randy has said.
So I think what Tompkins does is he opens it up to a much wider audience and to me it’s like this is really an incredibly divinely scripted process where these Secret Space Program whistleblowers start coming out, each one supporting what the other one has said, but opening it up to a slightly new audience because of their own backgrounds.
Rob: Absolutely, and you are a primary part of that. I want to go back to the Shasta thing a little bit. Back in the ’50s there was a road called Military Pass, and the government, they have an underground base there.
Andrew Basiago said that there’s obviously a giant command center there. They’re watching. They’re impotent. They could take their tunnel boring machines, and I promise you they have, and they’ve gone nowhere. They get stopped. The machines will overheat. They just won’t start. They’ve given up, I’m pretty sure, on any attempt to breach the Inner Earth civilization there, which I believe is completely benevolent.
If you’ve lived there for any period of time, if I have girlfriends that come close with me and they want evidence, eventually they show up and Shasta was one of the more particularly profound displays. I was with a girl and she wanted to believe and all this kind of stuff. She was kind of an atheist. She had a spiritual experience, and then she came back and was questioning me and we were over at Lake Siskiyou there and a large, golden disc went from the top of Mt. Shasta, kind of swooped down over the town, moving at a high rate of speed, and came right by us and she was like, What was that?
And I go, What do you think it was?
Ah, ah . . .
I said, Maybe it was an eagle carrying a gold coin reflected from the sunlight. You know, and she finally is just like laughed and she got it. There’s lots of stuff up there and if you have an open mind and an open heart, you’re going to see phenomenon. And the focus is not phenomenon. The focus is, Who’s inside there? What are they doing? What is their thinking? And if we process this information on your own over time, How can they move so fast? and all this stuff. Then you go into the other Secret Space Program, which is the benevolent contactees that have been on-going and paralleling the government’s program.
The interesting thing about William Tompkins is also his direct interaction with what he calls the Nordics. Who they are, but, you know, I think he’s protected. He’s 93 years old. I was a little concerned about his age and we talked about having him come, but I might have made a mistake in not bringing him, but you can certainly share his information and maybe we can get him to come up as a personal visit, a journey.
But it certainly seems a very, very powerful aspect to have this synchronistic back up, and I agree with you 100% that this is a divinely orchestrated in a synchronistic way. And the mass media just can’t stop it.
Dr. Salla: Right. Well, I’m really looking forward to the conference and presenting some of the incredible information that is coming out now. It really is picking up. There seems to be this kind of incoming of galactic energies, a heightening of awareness, the raising of vibrations, frequencies. People seem to be more open to various possibilities. So I’m very interested in presenting some of that material that I’ve got. I’ve been learning from Corey, from Bill Tompkins, and others.
So in terms of the conference logistics, how do people learn about it and how do they register?
Rob: Well, they can go to your website, and to my website, , I’m having a migration to my new site and I’ve been hacked, emails. Some weird stuff going on right now that is not functioning, But there’s plenty of seats left. Just go there and choose. You can camp on-site or off-site, if you like.
And we’ll probably have some two-day passes available towards the end near the conference date but at this point they’re not available. It’s a three-day event. Folks, you want to intend to stay all three days.
I’m think about having Laura Eisenhower kind of be our top speaker or ending speaker on Sunday night and lead a nice spiritual closing to all of our kind of intellectual, historical and these technological space program information. So she’s going to probably be closing it out before dinner on Sunday night.
We have great food there. We have dinners and then we have two fire circles that can be opened. And people just have a blast out there, singing and talking, dancing and playing music and the forest is so beautiful and the moonlight and a lot of the fun takes place in between the speakers, at the lunches, at the lake. And in the evening time especially, I have a world-class jazz musician, Clive Stevens, coming. This brother played at the World Jazz Day. He plays with people like Stan Getz, the Marsalis brothers, Herbie Hancock. He’s top-notch, world-class, and he’s going to be presenting some very high-end music as well as Ryan Marchand.
So we have some fun times in the evening, some cool slide shows. It’s going to be a blast. So check it out at Michael’s site. You can check it out on and type in ‘Shasta Summer Conference Part 2 [or click here]
It’s on my website under ‘Upcoming Events’. Just get your ticket. They are going much faster than any other conference I’ve ever had. We still have tickets, but if you’re coming, you might want to make your plans. I suggest people maybe look into, if you’re on a budget and want to stay in a hotel, you can get the Motel 6. It’s a 40-minutes drive each day, but camping it’s a bit rustic up there. But we do have showers, toilets and food, and a very nice hall.
Thank you, so much, Michael. It’s been an honor to be with you here today.
Dr. Salla: Well, thanks, Rob. Aloha, and I look forward to catching up at Mt. Shasta.
Rob: All right, folks. We’ll see you up there. And God bless you all.
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Part 2 – The Secret Space Program – Aug 26-28
[Continued from Part 1] At the same time the Soviet Union had deployed Cosmospheres in the 1970’s that competed with the National Reconnaissance Office and USAF for domination of the space around Earth, the U.S. Navy was developing its own secret space program called Solar Warden, which used huge cigar shaped spacecraft equipped with antigravity and temporal technology for distant off world operations.
Former aerospace engineer, William Tompkins, has disclosed that he provided the initial designs for these kilometer long secret space craft in a secret think tank at Douglas Aircraft Company in the 1950’s. According to both Corey Goode and Tompkins, Solar Warden became operational in the 1980’s and was highly compartmentalized, and therefore unknown to most USAF Space Command/NRO/Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) personnel who were told the vehicles in deep space or remote locations like Antarctica they were monitoring were merely prototype craft being tested.
Goode additionally explains that most NRO/USAF Space Command/DIA personnel are unaware of the Secret Space Program Alliance (an alliance between the Solar Warden program and defectors from other secret space programs), whose operations Goode has been disclosing since late 2014.
Apparently, some of the intelligence released by Goode over the last 18 months about secret space programs, was accurate enough to come to the attention of the “lower level secret space program,” as he described it, run by the NRO/USAF/DIA. Subsequently, he was subjected to a military abduction by one or more of these agencies, which he briefly described in his May 14 update:
Military abductions conducted by operatives of one or more unacknowledged programs occur. Chemical interrogation tactics are implemented. Body fluid and hair samples were taken, words and phrases were read off of a tablet to attempt to ascertain if I was a current asset of a known UNSAP [Unacknowledged Special Access Program].
While briefing me on June 15, Goode stated that he experienced a total of three different military abductions on a spacecraft that was clearly less advanced than those belonging to the SSP Alliance. The abductions happened during the period from January to February 2016.
I asked Goode why he wasn’t protected by the “Sphere Being Alliance” (advanced extraterrestrials belonging to a Type III civilization), since they had previously intervened during an alleged incident on Mars that he described in a report back in June 2015.
Goode said that the Sphere Being Alliance will only intervene when his safety is in serious jeopardy, and not at other times since there are lessons to be learned for all involved. In the case of “negative experiences”, he says, these might have a larger purpose such as completing operational goals.
I also asked him why the SSP Alliance, which has superior technologies and clearances, couldn’t just tell the lower level SSP’s to back off, and not abduct Alliance operatives. Goode said that just before the time of his military abductions the ability of the SSP Alliance to conduct operations on Earth had been stopped, since they were denied clearance by the air and space traffic control at the Lunar Operations Center (LOC), as described in Part 1.
Goode’s interrogators could not find any information about him in their databases which is not surprising given the level of compartmentalization involved in the different classified programs. He said that all his records were scrubbed upon returning to civilian life in 1986 after being age regressed and sent back in time after he completed his 20 year tour of duty in 2007.
During one of Goode’s interrogations, attempts were made to brainwash him into believing that extraterrestrials weren’t real and that the “higher level space programs” he was discussing – Solar Warden, Interplanetary Corporate Conglomerate and Dark Fleet – did not exist.
During an interrogation, he also said that chemicals were used to get him to involuntarily reveal three high level operatives working within the Secret Space Program (SSP) Alliance:
A tablet with a camera was held in front of my face and academy type military photos were shown to me. The camera monitored my eyes and marked a photograph when it was detected that I recognized the person. This incident caused the outing of 3 high ranking SSP Alliance individuals and caused a further rift between myself, Gonzales and the SSP Alliance. Because of the chemical interrogation and the attempted blank slating of my memories of the incidents, I didn’t remember the full details until I was informed later of the security breach.
Artistic depiction of Goode under chemical interrogation where he involuntarily outs SSP operatives
One of the outed SSP Alliance individuals has subsequently dissappeared, another has been captured by the “lower level SSP”, and the third was Gonzales – Goode’s primary contact with the SSP Alliance.
Due to his involuntary ‘outing’ by Goode, Gonzales had to leave his civilian “cover” identity in Texas, and quickly found refuge with one of the Inner Earth civilizations called the ‘Anshar’, which he and Goode had previously met with on several occasions.
In particular, Goode had formed a special bond with an Anshar high priestess called “Kaaree”, with whom he experienced a mind-meld back in September 2015:
Gonzales had been staying with the Anshar for weeks with no explanation. I was receiving briefings from both Gonzales and Kaaree during this timeframe.
Next, Goode refers to the period immediately after Gonzales was outed, sometime in March 2016. Goode, describing one of the locations where Gonzales traveled to during his stay with the Anshar:
One of these briefings included information about a couple of recent trips that Gonzales and Kaaree made to an “Outpost” of working “Ancient Builder Race” technology, below the surface of Venus. Gonzales was turned away by the beings that inhabited that outpost. They then traveled to a temporal anomaly and embassy type space station in the vicinity of Saturn that I had attended Super Federation meetings at in the vicinity of Jupiter. There were no craft or occupants on this station other than the same beings encountered at the Venus outpost. Gonzales was turned away from there too. Later, Kaaree informed me that Gonzales had worked to make sure I was disinvited from these two trips. It was soon after this that I found out that Gonzales was one of the 3 people that was revealed during my chemical interrogation.
Goode says that the reason Gonzales had been turned away from the Venus outpost was because he [Goode] was not present. It is likely the “Venusians” were aware that Goode had been appointed delegate to the Sphere Being Alliance, and viewed his absence as awry.
Then Goode went on to explain what happened when he was taken to Venus, around May 13:
Kaaree takes me to visit the Working Ancient Builder Race Outpost on Venus. We arrive and are met by a giant, long narrow craft that had a blast shield over the windows of what would be the bridge of their craft. We sat there for about 20 minutes before Kaaree told me we had been turned back. As I looked I could see several other of these large narrow craft around Venus, with their noses pointed down toward the surface and the rear of the vessels pointing away from the planet into space. While waiting, Kaaree and I spoke about a few individuals, as well as how concerned the Anshar are with people actively reaching out for them mentally yet receiving contact from other beings.
The final information Goode shared relates to the Anshar. He says that they have requested a change to a treaty between all major extraterrestrial groups and Inner Earth Civilizations concerning open contact with humanity:
The reason the Anshar requested the meeting to make changes to the treaty is that they were considering a more active role with the surface populations. They are keeping an eye on the highly programmed nature of humanity and our response to knowing the Anshar exist. They have been troubled by some of the signs they have seen and some of their group has raised these concerns in their recent council meetings.
Back on May 14, Goode described a forthcoming meeting (since held) between different extraterrestrial and Inner Earth groups for a new treaty:
Kaaree informed me that Gonzales had informed her that the Anshar request for a meeting over requested ratifications to a treaty that was agreed to by all of the major ET players in the Solar System including those we would consider negative. This meeting is said to be occurring imminently.
In his June 15 briefing to me, Goode explained that the current treaty is referred to as the “Muhammad Accords” since it dates back to the time of the Prophet Muhammad (570-632 AD). Further Goode added that prior to the “Muhammad Accords,” extraterrestrials and Inner Earth civilizations openly interacted with surface humanity.
It was decided that in order for surface humanity to evolve, open contact would end, and that extraterrestrials and Inner Earth civilizations would no longer openly intervene in human affairs.
Goode then said that the meeting referred to by Kaaree had been held, and the request for a new treaty had been opposed by the Draconian Federation – the dominant Reptilian extraterrestrial species in our galaxy, and other “Saurian” or Reptilian groups. According to Goode, both he and Gonzales had in mid-2015 met with the leader of the Draconian Federation in our sector of the Galaxy, a 14 foot Royal White Draco, as part of ongoing negotiations over full disclosure.
Due to the need for consensus among all the adherents to the original treaty, there consequently would not be a new treaty at this point. Kaaree said this was unlikely to be the end of the matter, but more likely the first step in a drawn out negotiation process.
Goode stated that he last met Raw Teir Eir on June 10, and was told that incoming cosmic energies are dramatically ramping up energy levels for the sun, solar system and the entire planet. People and groups are being easily triggered, which helps explains the elite exodus to Antarctica described in Part One, and upsurge of violent extremism around the planet.
While some may be greatly concerned over the possibility of a solar kill shot as predicted by remote viewers such as Major Ed Dames, it’s important to emphasize that this is merely one of many possible futures.
Previously Goode has said that according to Raw Teir Eir, the future and the kind of disclosure humanity is going to experience, will be determined by the collective consciousness and how well we react to unfolding events around us.
Goode has summarized the optimal response to an uncertain future in what describes as “the Message”:
Every day focus on becoming more “Service To Others” oriented. Focus on being more “Loving” and “Focus on raising your Vibrational and Consciousness Level” and to learn to “Forgive Yourself and Others” (thus “Releasing Karma”). This will change the Vibration of the Planet, the “Shared Consciousness of Humanity” and “Change Humanity One Person at a time” (even if that “One Person” is yourself.).
At a time of great change where global elites are finding refugee in remote locations amidst uncertainty over what the future holds for them, and extraterrestrials debate over whether to openly make contact, the choice is ours over what the future holds for us. We must remember the power of love and forgiveness in opening up positive possibilities for us all, including that of a peaceful full disclosure of the SSPs and extraterrestrial alliances that can greatly expand and enrich human destiny.
Special Note: I wish to thank Corey Goode and associated artists for kindly supplying the graphics illustrating his June 15 personal briefing.
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On June 15, I received an informal “briefing” by secret space program whistleblower, Corey Goode, about recent events that include an aerial battle over Antarctica involving various syndicate groups (Cabal/Illuminati) that had over the last six months fled there, and also the current status of negotiations involving different extraterrestrial and “Inner Earth” civilizations over “open contact” with humanity.
What follows will appear fantastic to those new to Goode’s revelations, which he has been releasing over the last 18 months. A detailed resource page has been created listing most of Goode’s interviews, reports, videos, along with articles about him.
My own detailed investigation of Goode was released in the book, Insiders Reveal Secret Space Programs and Extraterrestrial Alliances (Sept 2015). My conclusion was that Goode is genuine, and so I consider his June 15 ‘briefing” to be a very significant disclosure of recent events involving secret space programs that have transpired over the last few months.
Goode released a short update of recent events in bullet point form on May 14. In his June 15 briefing with me, he gave more details about this update, answered questions about what had occurred, and provided artist depictions of some of the events he was describing.
The May 14 update by Goode described an exodus of elite groups to South America and Antarctica:
Reports came in for approximately 6 months that high level syndicate groups were moving huge amounts of personal items and supplies to South American underground bases most noted in Brazil. More recent reports stated actual family members and high ranking syndicate members were pouring into these underground bases like ants before a storm.
Goode elaborated in his June 15 briefing that what the syndicate groups (global elites/Cabal/Illuminati) feared was huge solar storms predicted to hit the Earth. The so-called “solar killshot” long predicted by the remote viewer, Ed Dames, was imminent according to him in an interview on March 21, 2016.
The syndicate groups could not easily leave the Earth for refuge on off-planet locations due to a recent lockdown on airspace on and around Earth by what Goode describes as the “lower level SSP” comprising the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO), USAF Space Command, etc. The latter had deployed technology establishing an “Earth Defense Grid” coordinated from an “air (and space) traffic control” established on the Moon (Lunar Operations Command – LOC).
He said the LOC is currently controlled by the Interplanetary Corporate Conglomerate which is coordinating with the lower level SSP’s. The latter were instructed not to clear SSP Alliance flights into Earth’s air space.
The syndicate groups chose to flee instead to Antarctica/South America where underground locations provided some safety. The following graphic illustrates one of the six industrial areas under the Antarctic ice near the Ross Sea with parked spacecraft.The fumes coming out of the ground is from abundant thermal energy used as a power source.
Coincidently, President Obama visited Bariloche, Argentina on March 24, which had become the unofficial headquarters of the “Fourth Reich” when Adolf Hitler fled there after World War II. The Nazi U-boat historian, Harry Cooper, found credible sources establishing Bariloche as Hitler’s refuge in his book, Hitler in Argentina.
In February 1960, President Eisenhower traveled to Bariloche where he negotiated the Joint Declaration of Bariloche with the Argentinian President concerning Peace and Freedom in the Americas. The real topic of negotiations, however, allegedly concerned deals which would further put the U.S. Military Industrial Complex firmly under the control of the Fourth Reich.
This alliance led to the emergence of the Interplanetary Corporate Conglomerate (ICC), one of the secret space programs revealed by Goode, which was now in charge of the Nazi bases in Antarctica. Therefore it is more than likely that President Obama’s visit to Bariloche, was to finalize new deals with the ICC/Nazis, which would facilitate their desire to move large number of people and cargo to safe locations in South America and Antarctica.
Goode’s May 14 update went on to describe huge submarines used to transport people and cargo to Antarctica as revealed to him by a “Lt. Col. Gonzales,” who has worked closely with Goode over the last year in secret negotiations and meetings involving different space programs and extraterrestrial alliances:
Gonzales later confirmed that these people and supplies were in many cases being transported to Antarctica via “Black Submarines” that were “EM Driven” and the “size of container ships”. The water filled subterranean rift systems are so incredibly enormous that they have no trouble on their journey. Furthermore, the reports stated that the rift caverns had been modified into massive arched tunnels in ancient times.
Goode supplied various artist depictions of one of the doorways into the vast water filled tunnel systems throughout South America and Antarctica used by the elites that extend all the way from Mexico, through South America, and down into Antarctica.
He said that there were six large industrial complexes located in the Western Antarctic region. The two largest complexes were city-sized and about two miles wide.
He provided an illustration for the location of these bases that he was personally taken to visit by the “Anshar” between April 27-30. Goode has previously described the Anshar as the oldest of the Inner Earth civilizations that he has met in secret negotiations – alleged dating as far back as 18 million years.
Further, he stated that he saw the secret Antarctic cities while traveling on an Anshar space craft that flew about 60 feet above the surface of the ocean directly into what looked like an Antarctic ice cliff, but which in reality was a hologram hiding the entrance to one of these cities. Goode saw large buildings, and two huge black submarines used to transport people and cargo to Antarctica being unloaded by giant cranes.
These large industrial complexes had first been established in the 1930’s by Nazi Germany, according to Goode, and subsequently expanded in the 1950’s and after agreements had been reached with the Eisenhower administration and the U.S. Military Industrial Complex. Currently, these six Antarctica bases are used by the Interplanetary Corporate Conglomerate, one of the secret space programs identified by Goode.
He then described in his May 14 update, a battle that had taken place over Antarctica:
One of the most interesting things that came out of this briefing [by Gonzales now safely located at a secret Kuiper Belt base] was that there had recently been reports of 6 large cruisers (teardrop shaped) were in the process of leaving the atmosphere after breaking the surface of the ocean near the coast of Antarctica. Dozens of “Unknown Chevron Craft” swarmed these cruisers and attacked the leading two craft causing massive and shocking damage. The cruisers broke off their attempts to leave orbit returning to below the surface of the ocean where they came from.
Goode has provided an illustration of the battle that took place. He told me that the teardrop shaped cruisers belonged to the syndicate groups who were aligned with the “Dark Fleet” – a space program first established in Antarctica by Nazi Germany/German Secret Societies – which later allied itself with the U.S. Military Industrial Complex.
He added that the SSP Alliance were not sure who the chevron shaped spacecraft belonged to, but the speculation was that they were linked to the “Earth Alliance,” a consortium of “White Hats” from various national militaries working closely with the BRICS nations.
According to Goode, the Antarctic battle was not an isolated incident:
There has been a major uptick in conflicts just outside and within our atmosphere between craft of various groups that have involved the shoot down of a number of craft.
Gonzales reported dozens of underground/ocean conflicts that have involved the use of exotic weapons as well as an uptick in the use of weather modification weapons by both the various syndicates and elements of the Earth Alliance.
Events in Antarctica were being monitored closely by different nations and/or space programs. Goode described huge spherical craft over Antarctica that appeared to be conducting surveillance operations:
Reports came in for approximately 6 weeks detailing “huge spherical craft” in geostationary orbit above the continent of Antarctica. These reports came from 5 different sources and described the spheres as being huge, metallic, shiny with one row of portholes going around the sphere. One speculated that these craft were of Russian origin.
Goode then explained that the craft were operating over large areas of the Southern Hemisphere, including Australia.
It’s possible that the craft are related to the “Cosmospheres” allegedly developed by the Soviet Union, which are described at length in the Peter Beter audio files. Beter was the General Counsel of the Export-Import Bank (1961-67), and had high level sources who confided to him what was happening behind the scenes in space up to the early 1980’s.
The Cosmospheres established Soviet weapons dominance in near Earth orbit, where they had military skirmishes with craft belonging to the USAF Space Command and NRO, which according to Goode, operate to about 400 miles above the Earth, and occasionally sent their most advanced craft to the Moon.
It is therefore very likely that the large spherical objects observing the Antarctic space battles were indeed Cosmospheres now under the control of President Putin and the Russian Federation. It is feasible that they provided intelligence used by the chevron shaped spacecraft that intercepted and turned back the larger teardrop shaped craft leaving with their likely global elite passengers.
Click here for Part II.
Special Note: I wish to thank Corey Goode and associated artists for kindly supplying the graphics illustrating his June 15 personal briefing.
[Update: 6/17/16. The article was revised to clarify that the Lunar Operations Center, under control of the ICCP, had denied clearance for SSP Alliance flights to Earth.]
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What follows is the transcript of William Tompkins responding to questions on the third ExoNews TV episode (see above) presenting his testimony.
Interview Date: February 25, 2016
Location: San Diego, California
Published on ExoNews TV 4/14/16
WT: William Tompkins
RW- Dr. Robert Wood
MS Dr. Michael Salla
[For introduction and analysis of Tompkins Testimony click here]
MS – The following interview extract features Tompkins answering questions from Dr. Robert Wood and myself on Germanys Space program in Antarctica.
Did the Navy Spies talk about the Nazis landing on the Moon, landing on Mars?
WT The operatives found this data and they bring it back to the Admirals secret office at the top of the building. You can see the building from when you land over at North Island. These fellows were all over the occupied areas in Germany, and they found all of this equipment. They found the program for extended life. That wasnt really an extended life. It was a life program that the extraterrestrials were already doing.
RW – Did the Nazis have this technology?
WT Yes, it was no big deal at all .
The move from Germany to Antarctica was in operation from 1934 [Note: The Third German Antarctic Expedition occurred in 1938-1939] way before the war started. In fact some of the stuff went down in 1913 [Note: The Second German Antarctic Expedition was from 1911-1913]. Large portions of equipment went sent down there. But right next to them were three tremendous size caverns which the Reptilians had. Not Grays, but Reptilians. Germany got two more, about a tenth the size of the big Reptilians [cavern]. They were able to [go] down, usually by submarine. They built these flat submarines, these regular class, so they could ship all this stuff down. Here they were shipping stuff down, right after the turn of the century.
Whether they had convinced themselves that they didnt care or they werent interested in the war, whatever it was, like the Vril Society, they had almost 90 percent of everything that it takes to build extraterrestrial vehicles, whether they were saucers or cigars.
They had that down to Antarctica by 1932. Some of it was going down. Not the main programs, but they had copies of everything that was necessary to build these. They were building these, in production, all over the occupied countries. The production facilities were [using] slave labor… The German population didnt know anything about this. It was all classified.
RW – Were the UFOs [built] in Germany or down in Antarctica?
WT – The people in Germany knew nothing about it. In Antarctica they knew everything.
RW Where were the UFOs, the craft, being built? In Germany?
WT They built the prototypes in Germany. They built pre-protype, something which is ready for production, in Antarctica. They put this stuff in production in the countries all over Germany [Occupied Europe], and they continued to build similar vehicles in Antarctica
Now the question was asked whether did we ever get to the Moon? You see it was in some way, it was well known that the Germans had a number of vehicles that flew out and came back. One of the first ones, they got into trouble, they crashed and the whole group died. But that was almost all coming from Antarctica. Way before, four years before, the war ended, they were always moving all of this stuff out. And so the flights, almost everything came from Antarctica with the same people.
MS So during the war years, from Antarctica the Germans were basically launching these craft, the Moon was one of many destinations they tried [reaching].
WT Yes, I dont know if it was true or not, but it was stated by some of those fellows [Navy spies] that they had gone to other stars and come back.
MS So that would be corroboration that the so called Andromeda Device which was based on some principle of teleportation actually was viable that they were able to use the Andromeda Device to get to other star systems like Alderbaran, and come back?
MS – In the next episode of ExoNews TV, we will hear from William Tompkins how the Nazis used slave labor in their hidden Antarctic bases, and that the Italian government had also developed a flying saucer program headed by the famous inventor, Gugliemo Marconi that was secretly operating out of hidden South American locations.
Previous ExoNews TV Interviews with William Tompkins
Navy Disseminated Nazi Antigravity Secrets to Leading U.S. Companies & Think Tanks (for transcript click here, for introductory article click here )
William Tompkins autobiography, Selected by Extraterrestrials, is available at Amazon.com
Michael Sallas Insiders Reveal Secret Space Programs and Extraterrestrial Life is available at Amazon.com
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What follows is the transcript of William Tompkins responding to questions on the second ExoNews TV episode (see above) presenting his testimony.
Interview Date: February 25, 2016
Location: San Diego, California
Published on ExoNews TV 4/4/16.
WT: William Tompkins
RW- Dr. Robert Wood
MS Dr. Michael Salla
[For introductory comments and video analysis click here]
MS – In an exclusive interview with ExoNews TV conducted in San Diego on February 25, Tompkins for the first time publicly revealed the role of Reptilian extraterrestrials in Nazi projects. The following interview extract features Tompkins answering questions from Dr. Robert Wood and myself.
WT The fact that the Germans were given this information from the Reptilians. They set up the program, they designed the program to support Germany, and they are giving Germany the UFOs.
RW Was this an alleged fact in any of the briefings you delivered?
WT Yes .
MS How did the Navy spies learn about the [Reptilian] extraterrestrials helping the Nazis? Did they see Reptilians, did they read briefing documents, or did they hear chatter among the German scientists about the Reptilians, how did they learn about that?
WT OK, the SS had many separate classified meetings, get-togethers, whatever. They formed an organization, a little bit like signing this thing over here when we first started talking [Memorandum of Understanding] The SS then interprets this into a whole series of programs, and this then is disseminated through their specific military communication, whether its a major effort, or something thats off on the side. All of this is documented and put together.
Now in addition to that, they had, if you want to call them, consultants, who are Reptilian consultants assisting on all of these different things that it takes to design and build these spacecraft carriers, and propulsion systems. So this is an extremely well developed program and documented like crazy. Getting copies of the documents was hard for them, hard for our spies. This was an open program in the upper level of the SS.
RW: It was compartmentalized.
WT: It was completely compartmentalized. It was well known there. People who had to do the work, had no knowledge at all of what it was for. They had to go do it, and so I guess its a little bit like a company that has the engineers do their effort, and then supplies are gained. You get all the supplies to build it, and then you have people build it. Only the very tip of the top have the knowledge of what this thing is even for. So that guy is working with a Reptilian. His group is working with Reptilians. They are doing, making sure that the engineering is engineered in a way to accomplish this thrust effort or this propulsion system.
MS: So the Navy spies reported back on what they had seen, or whatever documents they had retrieved, and that this was their conclusion that agreements had been reached with Reptilians, and Reptilians were acting as consultants with some of the Nazi SS compartmented programs.
WT: Even more than that. One of the packages that I got had a statement type thing. I dont know how he got a hold of it. It was not the original agreement between the two countries, the extraterrestrials and Germany, but it alluded to this. You dont have many of those around. There was this tremendous program to, which the operatives got into, where there were university type facilities where hundreds of thousands, of even Russian girls, were brought into these facilities. Certain groups of the troops would get them pregnant, and this program was then to come out with massive numbers, the reason Im saying this is because it takes a long time to have a baby, and so you are not planning to win the war next week, but that part of their program was set up and structured to parallel a Reptilian battle group program to go to other star systems planets, and do the same thing that Germany was going to do to Europe, and to this planet.
Which is, in other words, it wasnt just taking over the United States and killing some Jewish people
RW: They were going to do it again throughout the galaxy?
WT: Holy cats the thing went way beyond that [world conquest]. Again, what we just said about this was the tip of the iceberg of what they were doing. Already Reptilians were doing it to other stars planets all over this area of the Galaxy . These young kids, the operatives, they couldnt believe half of what they brought back, what was going on. But some of them were really good people, and they knew how to get into places and listen to whats going on, and finding what that guy he had talked to, or he heard, and going to so and so, because yes they were doing that over there. It goes to two countries away from an occupied country with a facility, a massive thing going,
And another part of it, they were even building boiler plate steel UFOs, 200 foot, 250 foot boiler plate steel, which is insane. But that group took the information that was given to them, and they didnt even figure out it should not be steel, but the propulsion unit floated it up, just like it was a feather, and they were on a learning curve that you could do these things all over using standard mathematical, or standard technical terms of the way you would normally do it.
Thousands of engineering groups were working different aspects to all of this. Some of them had the vehicles, others they gave them a vehicle to reverse engineer, so they could become familiar with everything from the inside out. And so different people, different organizations could handle these different matters. It was a massive program. The mission was to take over the planet, kill off all of the ones that were a problem, and the rest of them make slaves out of them. Everybody on your planet, then second phase was to leave the planet with large squadrons of UFOs, after youve got them all built, and do the same thing to other stars planets. Thats the German will [plan?]
Previous ExoNews TV Interviews with William Tompkins
Navy Disseminated Nazi Antigravity Secrets to Leading U.S. Companies & Think Tanks (for transcript click here, for introductory article click here )
William Tompkins autobiography, Selected by Extraterrestrials, is available at Amazon.com
Michael Salla’s Insiders Reveal Secret Space Programs and Extraterrestrial Life is available at Amazon.com
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This is part 2 [click here for part 1] of the transcript of the explosive original testimony of Randy Cramer (aka Captain Kaye) who claims he served on Mars as part of an elite Mars Defense Force for just over 17 years. The main purpose was to protect a Mars Colony Corporation that had five civilian settlements on Mars from indigenous Martians. In the interview, Cramer describes how he traveled to secret Moon base to sign papers committing him to a 20 year tour of duty. He was then transported to a military base on Mars where his unit engaged in territorial battles with the native Reptilian and Insectoid Martians. This was Cramers second interview in a five part series where he described his training as a child super soldier to serve as a member of an elite Marine Corps unit that provides personnel for a secret space program with military bases on the Moon, Mars and other parts of the solar system.
Original Skype Audio Interview published through ExoNews.TV at https://youtu.be/YCTYkYcYuI0
M.S. Michael Salla, Ph.D.
R.C. Randy Cramer (Capt, USMCss)
[0.00] Red timestamp refers to the time in the interview
Note. Randy Cramer used the pseudonym Captain Kaye in the five part series of interviews published in April 2014. Linguistic redundancies such as you know, so, and, ah, etc. have been removed when appropriate for correct grammar and ease of reading. An ellipsis will signify removed text to correct grammar or eliminate reduncies. Timestamps will enable the reader to locate the relevant audio passages.
Formatting: All questions are bold highlighted, and normal text is the response by Randy Cramer (Captain Kaye).
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Transcript of Interview conducted via Skype
M.S. Right, now of course you arrived there on Mars around 1987, and 1975 was when Aries Prime was set up. Now this of course was during the Cold War, so was the Soviet Union a part of the Earth Defense Force and the running of Aries Prime?
R.C. Absolutely. Yes, the US, Russia, China, Germany, I mean everybody cooperated together. Absolutely it was taking place, and I have had this question a lot. How is it that these people cooperate, while at the same time, everyone is fighting. Like, whos lying or is it just a show> I think the real answer to that is that the people who have separated themselves from regular state authorities over decades ago to establish the parallel organizations, are so separate that the people who dont know whats really going on, are really fighting with each other. They are all having all kinds of problems with each other, and hate each other, and want to kill each other. The people who have set themselves about that have done that other thing, which is we are going to cooperate for mutual goals and benefits, and try to sort out all these other problems down below over time by keeping them separate. So thats just a little aside that explains why they do that.
M.S. I see, so at this point you are going to begin your official duties so what is it that you are now officially recruited into?
R.C. At that point I arrive at Aries Prime, and at that point we all get informed that we are now members of the Mars Defense Force (MDF). The MDF is the specific military organization, private contracted military organization which is specifically contracted to serve under the MCC [Mars Colony Corporation] to protect and defend the Mars Colony Corporation and its interests. We got informed you are now a member of the Mars Defense force, you will be assigned a chit, a little card, paper work that is going to tell which shuttle you are going to get on. Then you are going to get on that shuttle and that shuttle is going to take you to a station and that station is where you are going to be probably for the next 20 years, and when you get to that station then you will get informed exactly what you are doing, and exactly who you are working [with], and receive all necessary training equipment, etc., when you get there.
So I get my chit, I got my stacks of paper work, wandering out on to the tarmac again, being directed towards which shuttle I got to be on. This time, these vehicles are pretty small as far as not being much bigger than half a bus. Theyre like half a city bus, theyre not that big. I think these things only sat about 20 guys, plus a pilot and a co-pilot up front and rows of seats kind of facing each other with a door out the back. So you come up, get in, sit down. Seats arent even all full in this particular vehicle, there are only like 15, 16 people, so we had a few empty seats. Unlike the larger vehicle which was a very smooth, very quiet lift-off, take-off, landing, not a lot of movement or momentum or disturbances, this vehicle was kind of loud and you could definitely feel that you were kind of shaking and moving when it lifted up off the ground [It] seemed to do most of its maneuvering at between 15-20 feet off the ground, it was a kind of low to the ground vehicle. I think it could go higher but staying low to the ground meant it was less a target, [inaudible] could be a target for anything that was higher in the air.
We spent like what seemed like three or four hours of flying across this red rocky landscape. So we got to forward station Zebra which is where I spent the next 17 plus years of my life as a member of the special tactical operations division of 098 Forward Station Zebra which also housed in a sister division unit which was less than a 100 feet from the main station. So that there are kind of like two separate stations right next to each other, which [was] division 097. Our sister division was 097, we were division 098 Special Tactical Operations Division, Mars Defense Force, Forward Station Zebra.
We got there and we are introduced to that facility and again we are met by some young enlisted people who are already stationed there, walked us around, took us into the interior of the structure and then walked us around what I call, we called, the horseshoe because the main living quarters in the barracks was in the back, farthest retreat point as you come in the front, and the farthest at the back point of the station in a kind of horseshoe shape, so that the two horseshoe ends did come around and there was a hallway that connected them so they kind of formed a horseshoe shape…
They led us down the horseshoe, and as we walked around were calling out names and pointing into the individual barracks for the squads which were 16 all the way around. There were alpha, bravo, charlie, delta, all the way around, and went down. They were calling out so and so alpha, so and so bravo. We get to delta and it was me and another guy. It was like, Cramer, Hansen, Delta Squad. So we went in there and they said wait here for the rest of your team to get back, and youll get briefed by them and told what to do. I could go into [great] detail into these sorts of things, but long story short, the rest of the squad came back. We met, familiarized ourselves, all realized that we were going to have to be friends, and that was the first day I got to meet my squad and realize what was going to happen.
The next day was our first training day where we got to familiarize ourselves with the powered body armor, environment suits and the hand-held gauss rifles or magnetic propelled weapons, and practiced our simulations putting on and taking off our body armor, firing weapons, and shooting against what were supposedly known threats at the time. Got a briefing from the base intel officer on where we were, and what we were doing, what the threats were going to be He explained to us the Mars Colony Corporations job is to extract minerals and resources that those folks do, and your job is to kill anything that tries to get in the way of that.
We were informed that the native species of Mars were numerous as it turns out. Theres a number of living things that live on Mars now. The surface is still kind of sparse compared to what it used to be before the grand accident, as I kind of think of it. Which at another place in the story it will be more appropriate to tell that part, talking about the history of Mars as Ive come to understand it, or came to be told it. So we were given a briefing on who and whats what. So it turns out there were two main evolved species other than us who were living on this planet that we might have to contend with.
A native Reptoid species and a native Insectoid species that dont necessarily live in the same areas, but have their own nests and hives, whatever they wanted to call them at the time.
We were essentially treated to the typical [briefing], these are the native savages and beasts that youre going to have to deal with. We werent given any kind of impression that these evolved or civilized cultures, or had high knowledge, or philosophy, or technology or anything. Just that these tended to be a really big pain in the butt that we were going to have to deal with. I learned later that that was not the case. These were a very evolved species, had quite a bit of intelligence, quite a bit of culture, quite a bit of civilization. We were not given that as a briefing.
We were explained what the main tactic and strategy of Mars was, and the way these beings worked on Mars was a constant testing of boundaries. Wherever your boundaries meet up against, a forward station meets up with the boundary of a Reptoid or Instectoid species, lair or hive, is going to be a place of contested space, where they will challenge that space. They will challenge that space as far as to raid and completely overwhelm your own hive or nest, as they like to call it. But they have a strategy, which is you dont go in and completely eliminate somebodys nest, you dont kill everything inside the nest. If you actually get inside somebodys hive or nest; or in our case our base, your goal is to kill all the soldiers, or kill all the army ants so to speak, or you kill, or break all the eggs in the hatchery, the next fringe generation of warriors. Youre not trying to eliminate or knock out the species since that would create a vacuum of space, and you dont know necessarily whats going to come in and occupy that neighboring space again because most of everyone is fairly contained where theyre at.
Theres not a lot of a need to have a hive or nest to expand there, or there and there. Theres a lot of isolationist, were OK here [sentiment]. You stay where you are, and well occasionally test your area, and test your space, and well occasionally reduce your level to be a threat to us by stomping on all your eggs, or by stomping on all your soldiers so you have to breed or grow a bunch more. That maintains a certain balance of safety, and a certain balance of we can all grow and get along without anyone having to get too crazy or out of line. It keeps everyone in a constant state of war and conflict, and threat, and attack and defense. Our main strategy, as we were told, was to defend those borders, and to occasionally raid somebody elses nest and follow those same conditions. If we raided somebodys lair or nest we were not expected to wipe them out with every technology we had. We were supposed to do the same thing which is to stomp on the eggs, or step on all the little hatchlings, and set them back a couple of generations long enough [so] that it will be x number of months or whatever before they are going to be able to formulate any kind of offensive again.
We were informed that that was the way it was going to be and we were going to be spending quite a bit of time doing that. After the intel briefing on heres where you are, heres who you are fighting, and heres where youre going to be fighting it, we got a speech from the old man, the colonel of the base. A nice old guy, I mean a guy I still respect to this day quite a bit, who gave us his big speech on who we are, why were here. To be honest, it was a fairly motivating speech. He said a lot of positive things about who we are, and why we were there, what good we were doing there for our people on our planet back home, and why we should be proud of what were doing and where we are. Again, it was a good speech, I felt fairly motivated by it. So after we got everybodys introduction speeches, then like I said, the next day it was straight [unintelligible] figuring out how to work all the equipment We probably had our first skirmish by the fifth day I was there.
M.S. You mentioned that the Reptoid and Insectoid races that were there were indigenous. Im assuming that they dont have anything to do with off-world Reptoid and Insectoid races that do have advanced spacecraft that travel through our galaxy, and have been reported to be interacting with people on Earth. That these indigenous Martian Reptoid and Insectoid races are some kind of indigenous development over many, many millennia.
R.C. Yes, definitely, at that point I can go into a little more detail into what I understand to be the Martian history as it was told to me. I have to jump a bit ahead I guess otherwise it will be this very long story. So Ill just jump ahead into this really interesting part. Some years later, well into my second decade of my service at the time I had gone from being a plebe in a fire team, to the squad leader of Delta Squad and we were captured, intentionally by the Reptoid species who referred to themselves as the Gah Luka [phonetic] which is as much as we think of ourselves as Earthlings because we live on Earth, Gah Luk is the name they call their planet, their home, so they really just call themselves people of home, the children of Gah Luka.
When we got captured, which remember was intentional, they decided that they had enough of whatever game playing wed been doing over these years and it was time to get closer to who this hairless pink ape was that had landed and was giving them trouble. Again, theyre not savages. Theyre very, very intelligent. In fact, theyre the remnants of the older ancient Martian species which was very advanced and had really advanced technology and space travel technologies. Advanced enough that they nearly destroyed themselves when they blew out their atmosphere. When the atmosphere got blown out, that essentially changed the pressure balance . The pressure change made the oceans boil, and made the high pressure, low pressure systems so fast that 800 mph winds [blew]. While all of that air and moisture pushed out away from the planet and then gravity trying to pull it back in, some number of hours or days was [all] that it took for the atmosphere [to] restabilize and create another bubble around it. By that time, everything had swirled around and thousand mph winds for who knows for how long, destroying every living thing on the surface.
If they had not already taken serious effort to have very deep and strong, completely secure, hundreds of feet underground, bases or cities of their own, they would never have survived because everything on the surface was absolutely annihilated. My understanding of what happened at that point is the surviving Reptoids who were all underground at that point, there was a moment of realization and awakening for them to go wow, we just killed our planet. That was not very cool of us . There was pretty much a division, and I wont say right down the middle. There was two sides that formed out of this. There was those who said, wow, weve done a bad thing and were going to have to pay our penance for this, and were going to have to stay here and fix this. We are going to have to stay here and heal our planet, and re-terraform our planet If it takes the next ten, twenty, whatever thousand years, well thats our responsibility and what we are going to have to do in order to fix what weve done which is actually kill everything on the surface of the planet.
The other faction was, hell no, were getting out of here. Everything is dead, its gone, goodbye, its over. We might as well leave. They picked up and left. Its entirely possible or even likely that some of them came here [Earth], and that one of the many species of Reptoids that came here ten or twenty thousand years ago that may or may not be friendly, giving us some trouble, certainly could have been some of those Martian Reptoids who left when that happened. Im pretty sure it wasnt only them, and Im pretty sure theres more species that have done more harm to us than they have. But if anything, they could be one of those mid-level management illuminati type species, or something that could be here on Earth, that could be an answer for that.
But the ones that stayed, really changed their ways to be honest. The sort of difference between the northern tribes and the southern tribes, as they are known now, is that the southern tribe have decided that to appease their planet that they should return to the old ways. So much of their choice to fight with primitive weaponry, or to fight using more primitive warlike techniques is a very specific stance on their part to do what they think, which is to be true to the old ways of their world and of their planet in order to have this old warrior philosophy, and this old way of living, than having war, since obviously the new way got everybody killed So their philosophy is Luddite, lets go back, forward was bad, so lets go back, thats the way we should fix this. So the southern tribes, I wouldnt say theyre the friendliest or really the folks there that we would want to try and make good relationships with, or have positive relationships with, because theyre not interested in it. They are interested in a life of war, thats what they do and they believe thats being true to their planet, and their true being is to be warlike.
The northern tribes are a little more varied, a little more different, and in some cases more mystical, more spiritual and so when we were captured it was to get to the bottom of who we were and what was going on in our heads so that they could decide whether to wipe out this interloper that had come, this invasive species. Or whether it was something that should cohabitate and learn from this experience on their world as well. It was through a kind of lengthy process, a pretty painful torturous process, they werent nice about it at first. They were really wanting to get to the bottom of it. So there were a number of days where I was hung up with my arms, like this, in a stress position, being asked questions for a number of days before being let down, and allowed to mingle with the community and given a chance to participate as a member of the group. I felt really blessed, given that opportunity, and got to spend enough time to learn quite a bit, and in that period of time was also taken by a leader of that Reptoid tribe to meet the Insectoid tribe, and got to meet them for the first time through the Saurians, as a liaison, as a go-between. That was really interesting.
The Insectoids were essentially a subterranean species who were coming along as far as higher intelligence, and their ability to manipulate their own biology, and ability to organically grow and hatch things the way they wanted to. They were very advanced for an insect species that dont use any kind of electronic technology we were surprised at the kind of thing that can be accomplished. Essentially, when the Reptoids were driven underground by the surface being destroyed, that allowed in the time of re-terraforming the surface, the opportunity for the insects to come to the surface and they started building large hives out on the surface to expand. The fact that the Reptoids nearly annihilated themselves is what allowed it [Mars] to become a two species planet . This other species was able to sort of come out, secure some space; and according to the Reptoids own system of what they believe are laws [of] how their planet works, the insects could defend and maintain their space by playing with the same rules of respect and strength, then it was OK. They could set out their space and they could all cohabitate together, and still have the occasional skirmish or invasion of one another since thats what you do sometimes.
There was also interestingly quite a good peace treaty between most of the northern tribes and the insects. The insects and the northern tribes didnt fight much. They really had their shit together. Anyway, I could blah blah about that, but Ill let you ask another question or go on.
M.S. Essentially, your primary responsibility when stationed at Forward Station Zebra was to participate in any Martian surface hostilities and to protect the Mars Colony Corporation, the different outposts they had there. I guess this may be what happened later, was there off world battles that you were a part of, or you knew were occurring and this was something you would support in some way, or later on became directly active in?
[R.C.]To my knowledge at the time, we werent given a lot of details in our daily briefings on what was happening outside of the Martian surface, or what was happening too far outside of our zone. We even didnt get reports on what was happening at the other stations, or what was happening with the other settlements. We got really limited information on what was happening in our zone, and our area that our forward station was responsible for. We got the impression from everything else that was going on, that there was also a battle happening in the skies, with certain peoples. We couldnt necessarily have a lot of information of who was fighting or shooting at who. I guess I should say this, the conflict itself, we didnt understand who everybody was in this game, because while there were a native Reptoid species, and a native Insectoid species, and us, there also was an invasive Reptoid species which for several years we did not understand was separate from the native species.
For a number of years we just assumed that a reptile was a reptile was a reptile, and they were all part of the same group, even if they were different in size, shape or color. They just must be different kinds of ranks, or distinctions, or individual races, that they are working with. We presumed for a long time that all the reptiles were the same, and they werent. There was an invasive Reptoid species, they were Draconians, Alpha Draconians. For a long time we thought the two reptiles were the same. The Draconians were really trying to play off, getting everyone else to fight with each other. So the more hostility, the more crazy action, they could encourage us to take against each other, the native saurian, the native insects, and us, was good for them. It took quite a bit of time to realize through good intelligence that was not the case, and we needed to sort of rethink what was happening. Our goal definitely was to defend everything and anything that threatened, but I just want to make the distinction that what we thought that was, wasnt exactly what that was. It was partly because of bad intelligence, and partly because of species ignorance, like they all have the same thing [without realizing] they were two completely different species.
We didnt know that the native reptiles and the invasive reptiles were fighting, and the insects and the invasive reptiles were fighting, and trying to get us to fight with each other, to keep us from fighting them. We didnt realize that if we were under attack from the air, it wasnt the same reptiles that were trying to attack us from underground, across the sand. So it was pretty confusing for while, as far as who was doing what, and what was fighting. Day to day operations was that if anything comes close, suit up, go out, fight with it. If anything comes to raid or invade, go through the protocols of defending the space until its over, then do the same thing the next day if you have to.
M.S. There have been a number of sources that have described a human indigenous race on Mars that historically, at a time of devastation, that its possible that they emigrated to the Earth, and some of them went underground. Did you ever come across any kind of evidence, or any information about an indigenous human looking Martian race?
RC. Not an indigenous one. It was explained to me that many different species have touched the surface of Mars over the years. Just like many species have touched the surface of the Earth over the years. So Mars is no exception to that. They certainly had a number of other Reptoid, Mammalian and other types of species that have come there, hung out for a while, stayed for a while, had conflict, then left. There were certainly times when the native Reptoids were not as advanced [inaudible] add technology, help them, hinder them, use them theyve had kind of the same story but in their own unique way that we have in that way.
M.S. So youre stationed at [Forward] Station Zebra for 17 years and youre doing all this fighting, suiting up to do battle with whoever is threating the Mars Colony or Aires Prime or other settlements, in your down time, what did you do for recreation. Did you travel to Aries Prime, and just hung out? What was happening in the down time?
R.C. Oh, sure, we never left the station ever, unless it was military related, we had to go out to defend something, and come back. We never left. All our down time and recreation time was spent in the horseshoe pretty much. Luckily, there were the simulators which we used for training, could also be used for recreation. Theyre essentially a kind of holographic experiential system that you hook into. Theres headgear, and a kind of body thing that you sit into, and you engage in this completely virtual experience that has the ability because its completely hooked into your central nervous system, to train muscle memory at the same time. So we actually did a lot of training in the simulators in which going through the virtual simulated experiences are actually doing all the same messaging, electro, bioelectrically through our bodies, at least doing the same training as muscle memory. The weight of information that is transmitted in the simulators, is faster than real time. So you can actually do 12 hours of training in a simulator, in three hours of actual time. So those same simulators are also used for recreation. OK, so where do we want to go today? Lets go hang out on the beach. Ok, lets go hang out at the beach. You plug into the simulator and hang out at the beach for the afternoon.
M.S. I see, so for example female companionship, were females allowed on the station, or was it using these simulators?
R.C. It was absolutely mixed co-ed group. Men and women were assigned to the special tactical operations division there. Again, I would say in the supersoldier categories you still had this kind of two thirds, almost male, to a third female ratio. There definitely were more men than there were women, but in order to deal with that, in order to deal with what otherwise would have been a pretty competitive situation, the rules and regulations were pretty much set up for a very liberal approach to soldiers having sex with each other, both hetero and homoerotic in ways that were considered as long as its in your off-time, and its in such a way, do whatever you need to do to get your hormones out of the way. Otherwise there were too many fights and people were knocking each other out in the hallways over things that didnt really matter. So it was a very liberal policy towards interaction. A very liberal policy towards sexual interaction and in your off-time you could pretty much do what you want. We did have a mixed bunch.
M.S. After spending 17 years on Forward Station Zebra what rank did you attain, what responsibilities did you have, and what happened that precipitated the next transition in your own off-world activities.
R.C. Im realizing that the question you asked me earlier I didnt get to finish, [I can finish] by answering this question. In my capacity in special tactical operations division, I moved all the way up to Sergeant-Major after a 17 year 3 month period of time. Just a little over 17 years. At that time, a horrible disaster occurred. Im going to have to choose my words carefully here. It wasnt an accident, it wasnt a natural disaster, but suffice to say that my division 098, our sister division 097, and two other divisions from a neighboring station 096 and 095, which is about 244 per division. 16 squads of 16 persons each which I think is 244 [actually 254] times four, nearly, just under a thousand of us. When it was over, out of that thousand, there were less than 35, [of] which I was a surviving member. It was a really bad thing which everyone got killed. At that point, it was over, the division was done. If they were going to rebuild the division, they were going to have to rebuild from scratch. There was no way you were going to take the six or seven guys out of the division that was left and watch the entire rest of the division get massacred, and put them back in, and be a part of the next division. That just wasnt going to happen.
I had a superior officer who came to me when I was in my Med-bed recovering, and asked me if I wanted to go to a flight school and fly. I didnt have to bat an eye. I was like of course I want to fly. He said, great, as soon as youre done here, the docs clear you here, were going to send you off to OCS [Officer Candidate School] Officer School, and you get to go fly. The last almost three years of my time, in my 20 year tour, I got to spend as a pilot, an officer, as a captain. At that point [OCS] was still in a marine air corps division The Air Corps division interestingly enough, I think was modelled after a US Air Force program but contained a number of pilots and officers from other branches of the military. While we all got to wear the same uniform, we had distinctive ribbons and patches that identified exactly which service and country we were from. Unlike what it was like on the ground. On the ground we all had a completely different uniform, an MDF uniform, that didnt have any of that insignia or marking on it. But when we moved to the flight division, that was different. We were more clearly identified as where we were from, and from what country we were from so that everyone It was way more of an international mixing together. So thats to answer the question about things that were happening in the air. Yeh, that last few years I got to spend in the air, in various skirmishes around the solar system, and doing a few interesting things in that capacity, Including the bombing of the Zeta base on Ganymede, which to my knowledge, our problems with the Zetas ended when we bombed the f. out of their base on Ganymede.
M.S. I was going to leave questions about the last three years of your service for another part, a final concluding part, but I wanted to finish this part by finding out [about] this final battle where your division was wiped out with approximately a thousand casualties. Firstly what did that battle involve, was it the indigenous races there on Mars? Finally, what was the fall-out for the Mars Colony Corporation, were the Corporations activities destroyed, or inhibited by what happened to the Mars Defense Force.
R.C. All very good questions. Essentially at this time, just before this mission occurred, the war was over. A war which I had spent 17 years as a part of, but had started way before I did. My understanding, [it] raged for over 25 years. That was over, we had actually signed treaties with the native Reptoids and the native Insectoids, and had recognized the invading Reptoids [Draconians] as the bad guys, and had all got together and signed a treaty. [We] ganged up on them [Draconians], three against one, and drove them completely out of the Martian sphere for good. That was huge, that was a big applause moment and we essentially got told, OK, we need you guys to go in to this Reptoid Hive which was supposed to be a much older, older site that had artifacts that are really old, that the scientists want. [It] was not uncommon for them to find some area or ruin that had some old archeological facets, technologies that they would send us in to try and extract or get. Sometimes it would be just junk, and sometimes some interesting weird stuff. Sometimes it would be, oh, crap, theres a nest of them here, and wed run away, because we didnt bring enough guys.
We ended the war and instead of ending the war, they were like, OK, go get this thing at this site and we are sending four divisions, a thousand of you. Which is pretty weird to send a thousand guys on a go pick-up an object kind of mission. Most of us thought that was pretty weird and most of us had a bad feeling about what we were doing. We thought wait, wait, wait, we dont want this to be misinterpreted. We signed a treaty with these guys and we ganged up on the real bad guys with these guys, do we really want to risk [that] by sending a thousand guys to one of their older, more ancient temple sites that theyve asked us not to go into? Theyre not going to receive that very well. Some of us were concerned. I certainly being a senior enlisted person protested to my command officer, to the command staff, and I protested to the old man [the commanding Colonel], used whatever weight I carried with him to say, look, look, I dont think this is a good idea. I think this is dirty, I dont think we are going to make out with this, and we should know better that meeting these guys in the field, that they hold back, nine times out of ten. If they really come at us mad, were done. Theyre really powerful warriors and most of the time they really fight restrained because if they really came at us with barrels it would be all over quickly. Its no fun for them in that way. Knowing that, I was not interested in walking into whatever we were walking into. But the old man really agreed with me, that he didnt like it either. He said, I got my orders, now you got yours, and do what I know you do best and get in there, get your job done and get out. If theres a problem, get out. I trust you to command your people, and I trust you to be a top guy down there on the ground, and I cant be there which is why youre going to be there, and thats why I hope this is going to go as badly as I think it will either. But, we all got our orders, so go do it.
RC. We essentially had to come at this large underground ancient site through a series of tunnels and caves that kind of went down to it. We didnt want to send everyone through one direction, plus that would have bottled us up in the smaller caverns we couldnt fit more than six or eight guys across. You got a thousand guys, that makes crowded hallways. We try to keep directions as we could. Sure enough, we get into this main domed building area which is essentially like standing inside something the size of the superdome or the astrodome or whatever. Some kind of domed sports arena. It was just that big and that round or so. We all kind of got down inside and were trying to communicate with HQ to figure out whats next, and thats when all the communications went dead, and our radios and our signals were jammed, and we all started looking at each other going this cant be good. Then all round this large domed roof, at even intervals, what appeared to be rocky surface became doorways. Im not sure if that was a solid holographic, or not a solid holographic, or what looked like solid wall, was all of a sudden not solid wall, and was doorways going all the way round this room. Like streams coming out of a drainpipe, from each hole come floods of these very large, very mean, very angry Martian [Reptoid] warriors, swaying around in both hands large bladed weapons. They just started moving around and surrounding everybody and moving in a big circle, a spiral, and swinging. An outer circle of all of our people just starting dropping and being cut, [we] tried to pull in, and pull in, try to get some distance to try to manage to fight and defend. No, it was like being caught inside a blender.
By that stage we, the egg heads, had developed a localized wormhole technology so a lot of our transporting of troops at that stage in the game, was being done by a localized wormhole phenomenon. But they [Reptoids] had completely jammed out ability to communicate, were jamming our ability to send localized troop transport coordinates … Someone managed to get their radio going correctly, or managed to get another signal on another frequency so they were able to connect to HQ, and try and communicate what was going on, and what we should do, what was happening. They kept telling us to stay put, not like we could do anything else, and any minute now they would have figured out how to get the wormholes back open and get us out of there.
Well what happened was the craft that uses the localized wormhole phenomenon [was jammed] so they had to use the larger ship transport wormhole phenomenon which created this large ship sized wormhole right above us. [It] sucked up the survivors, what was left at that point. The circle kept getting smaller and smaller, and then whoever got caught in the event horizon of that ship wormhole was sliced right off wherever they touched the event horizon. The next thing I know were on the Med-bay pad and medics coming in [Randy gets very emotional] I can see her top half, blood coming out of her so fast that she went pale so fast, and lifeless so fast. All I could do was yell, medic, medic, I need a medic over here. I got people dying. It was chaos, and everybody died except the 35 or so of us that didnt. My understanding was that this was a dumb command decision by people at the MCC who wanted whatever this thing that was so special they were willing to violate treaty space, [what] we had already decided was treaty space, by sending a thousand guys to their death.
To my knowledge I think the MCC really suffered from that. I dont think the native Martians would have chosen at that point to say, you betrayed it, were going to wipe you out now. I think they would have said, well, we killed all your guys who came into our temple, like we told you not to. That will teach you that lesson. I would imagine that anyone else who thought [inaudible] a harsh response from them at that point. They essentially [inaudible] parameters of the treaty. I seriously doubt that would degrade back into war based on the treaty we filed, but it would be seen as an overstep that was responded with, well your guys came over here like they shouldnt and we killed them all like we told you we would if you did. Dont do it again.
M.S. Well thanks for sharing that. I think a lot of the listeners would appreciate knowing exactly what it was that happened, even though the details are obviously a very moving and traumatic for you, a lot of viewers would benefit to know what exactly happened, and what the ramifications were. So Im going to bring this part to a close, and then we will come back for another part to look at the final three years and wrap things up. I want to thank you Captain Kaye, and well be back soon.
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