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On March 5, three Secret Space Program books were at the top of the Amazon Best Seller lists for the UFO category. Two of the books, deal with a highly secretive program run by the US Navy, while the other deals with the US Air Force’s better known program run out of Area 51.

the U.S. Navy's Secret Spae ProgramThe current number 1 is The US Navy’s Secret Space Program and Nordic Extraterrestrial Alliance just released on March 1 that focuses on the testimony of retired aerospace engineer William Tompkins. The book uses extensive documentation to validate his claim of being directly involved in a US Navy espionage program with 29 Navy spies embedded in Nazi Germany’s top aerospace programs. He also revealed the existence of a Navy research study program at its premier China Lake facility to learn about antigravity technologies which were found after the February 1942 Los Angeles Air Raid.

Tompkins later worked with several aviation companies to help the Navy design and build massive space battle groups out of its highly classified facilities hidden under the Wasatch Mountains in Utah.The book examines the historic role played by a Nordic group of extraterrestrials in helping the development of antigravity technologies first in pre-war Germany, and later in the USA in a secret alliance with the Navy.

sekret-machinesThe number two listed Amazon book is authored by Tom DeLonge and Peter Levenda and is titled Sekret Machines: Volume 1 of Gods Man and War. It is the non-fiction companion of the 2016 fiction book, Sekret Machines: Chasing Shadows, which discussed a US Air Force run secret space program. It becomes available on March 7 and will focus on evidence of historical visitation by extraterrestrials or “Gods” provided to DeLonge by a team of 10 advisors drawn from the US military and aerospace corporations. The book’s Amazon description says: “Sekret Machines: GODS will take you on an eye-opening journey that transcends speculation and is based on unprecedented access to officials at the highest levels of government, military and industrial agencies who have provided insights and assistance never before experienced by any researchers in this controversial field.”

selected-by-extraterrestrialsThe number three top selling Amazon book is authored by William Tompkins, and edited by Dr. Robert Wood (who also wrote the Foreword to the above US Navy’s Secret Space Program book), and is titled Selected by Extraterrestrials: My life in the top secret world of UFOs, think-tanks and Nordic secretaries. It is the first volume of his autobiography where he reveals his involvement in the Navy’s espionage program and work with Douglas Aircraft Company and TRW to design antigravity spacecraft. Most remarkable is Tompkins’ claim of having worked with Nordic extraterrestrials secretly embedded in top aviation companies who covertly helped engineers and scientists achieve the technical know how to build large antigravity craft. Tompkins provides extensive documentation to support his amazing claims.

It is noteworthy that an additional two books about secret space programs (Insiders Reveal Secret Space Programs and The Ascension Mysteries) make the top six Amazon best seller list in the UFO category (see following March 5 screenshot). Both focus on the remarkable testimony of Corey Goode, and include other witnesses and whistleblowers disclosing their knowledge about these highly classified military and corporate run programs.

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The fact that three secret space program books currently top the Amazon best seller list for the UFO category is a testament to the rapidly growing interest among the general public for information about such programs. It’s very clear that people are embracing the evidence that many UFO sightings are related to highly classified technology projects that have been developed in top military and corporate scientific facilities, without the public learning the truth about their development, and the link to extraterrestrial visitation. Now, thanks to a growing number of whistleblowers, witnesses and “White Hats” in the military and corporate world, the truth is being fully disclosed to the world.

Michael E. Salla, Ph.D.

Article is available for free internet distribution.

Will disclosure take place to bring about a better future for all of us?

There is extraordinary hope in our midst. The Los Angeles Air Raid on February 24/25, 1942 opened an unprecedented chapter in the evolution of the U.S. Navy. In response to this incident, a covert research program to investigate the feasibility of exotic antigravity propulsion technologies was developed.

In addition, Navy operatives were embedded in Nazi occupied Europe to learn about the Germans’ advanced saucer programs, and they discovered the Nazis were receiving assistance from two extraterrestrial groups with very different agendas.

The debriefing of the operatives took place at Naval Air Station, San Diego, and were led by Rear Admiral Rico Botta. He instructed a “Disseminator of Naval Research and Information”, William Tompkins, to take confidential briefing packets to select think tanks, corporations and university departments around the country.

Later, Tompkins worked with a number of leading aerospace companies to design massive spacecraft for a secret U.S. Navy space program, which fatefully came to be assisted by extraterrestrial visitors described as “Nordics”.

An extensive number of documents substantiate Tompkins’ claims of the existence of a covert Navy program to study, design and build deep space battle groups. They became operational in the 1980’s. Now the Navy has a new goal to enact a plan to level the playing field, and the election of President Donald Trump may just be the wild card they needed to reveal … everything!

About the Author: Dr Michael Salla is a former university professor in international relations, and is the author of Insiders Reveal Secret Space Programs and Extraterrestrial Alliances (Book 1 in Secret Space Program Series, 2015), which has received over 200 reader reviews; and author/editor of nine other books dealing with ‘Exopolitics’, International Conflict, U.S. Foreign Policy  and Global Peace.

The U.S. Navy’s Secret Space Program & Nordic Extraterrestrial Alliance is approximately 320 pages in length, and is Book 2 in the Secret Space Programs Series. Cost of paperback version is $19.95.

Release Date: March 1, 2017!

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The above video published today on Youtube outlines how global politics needs to expand beyond the traditional scholarly focus on nation states, transnational corporations, non-state actors, international organizations, and social movements.

Global politics requires three dimensional thinking, as depicted in the fictional 3D Chess of Star Trek, in order to factor in how both advanced subterranean civilizations and extraterrestrial civilizations influence political events on Earth.

Dr. Michael Salla has held full time university positions teaching both graduate and undergraduate students key concepts in global politics. He combines his scholarly expertise in global politics with his more recent research in exopolitics, to produce a remarkable 3D understanding of global (exo)politics.

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What follows is the transcript of William Tompkins responding to questions on the third ExoNews TV episode (see above) presenting his testimony.

Interview Date: February 25, 2016

Location: San Diego, California

Published on ExoNews TV – 4/14/16

 

Interview Key:

WT: William Tompkins

RW- Dr. Robert Wood

MS – Dr. Michael Salla

[For introduction and analysis of Tompkins Testimony click here]

MS – The following interview extract features Tompkins answering questions from Dr. Robert Wood and myself on Germany’s Space program in Antarctica. …

Did the Navy Spies talk about the Nazis landing on the Moon, landing on Mars?

WT – The operatives found this data and they bring it back to the Admiral’s secret office at the top of the building. You can see the building from when you land over at North Island. These fellows were all over the occupied areas in Germany, and they found all of this equipment. They found the program for extended life. That wasn’t really an extended life. It was a life program that the extraterrestrials were already doing.

RW – Did the Nazis have this technology?

WT – Yes, it was no big deal at all….

The move from Germany to Antarctica was in operation from 1934 [Note: The Third German Antarctic Expedition occurred in 1938-1939] way before the war started. In fact some of the stuff went down in 1913 [Note: The Second German Antarctic Expedition was from 1911-1913]. Large portions of equipment went sent down there. But right next to them were three tremendous size caverns which the Reptilians had. Not Grays, but Reptilians. Germany got two more, about a tenth the size of the big Reptilians [cavern]. They were able to … [go] down, usually by submarine. They built these flat submarines, these regular class, so they could ship all this stuff down. Here they were shipping stuff down, right after the turn of the century.

Whether they had convinced themselves that they didn’t care or they weren’t interested in the war, whatever it was, like the Vril Society, they had almost 90 percent of everything that it takes to build extraterrestrial vehicles, whether they were saucers or cigars.

They had that down to Antarctica by 1932. Some of it was going down. Not the main programs, but they had copies of everything that was necessary to build these. They were building these, in production, all over the occupied countries. The production facilities were [using] slave labor… The German population didn’t know anything about this. It was all classified.

RW – Were the UFOs [built] in Germany or down in Antarctica?

WT  – The people in Germany knew nothing about it. In Antarctica they knew everything.

RW – Where were the UFOs, the craft, being built? In Germany?

WT – They built the prototypes in Germany. They built pre-protype, something which is ready for production, in Antarctica. They put this stuff in production in the countries all over Germany [Occupied Europe], and they continued to build similar vehicles in Antarctica…

Now the question was asked whether did we ever get to the Moon? You see it was in some way, it was well known that the Germans had a number of vehicles that flew out and came back. One of the first ones, they got into trouble, they crashed and the whole group died. But that was almost all coming from Antarctica. Way before, four years before, the war ended, they were always moving all of this stuff out. And so the flights, almost everything came from Antarctica with the same people.

MS – So during the war years, from Antarctica the Germans were basically launching these craft, the Moon was one of many destinations they tried [reaching].

WT – Yes, I don’t know if it was true or not, but it was stated by some of those fellows [Navy spies] that they had gone to other stars and come back.

MS – So that would be corroboration that the so called Andromeda Device which was based on some principle of teleportation actually was viable that they were able to use the Andromeda Device to get to other star systems like Alderbaran, and come back?

WT – Yes …

MS – In the next episode of ExoNews TV, we will hear from William Tompkins how the Nazis used slave labor in their hidden Antarctic bases, and that the Italian government had also developed a flying saucer program headed by the famous inventor, Gugliemo Marconi that was secretly operating out of hidden South American locations.

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Previous ExoNews TV Interviews with William Tompkins

US Navy Spies Learned of Nazi Alliance with Reptilian Extraterrestrials during WWII (for transcript click here, for introductory article click here )

Navy Disseminated Nazi Antigravity Secrets to Leading U.S. Companies & Think Tanks (for transcript click here, for introductory article click here )

Related Books

William Tompkins autobiography, Selected by Extraterrestrials, is available at Amazon.com

Michael Salla’s Insiders Reveal Secret Space Programs and Extraterrestrial Life is available at Amazon.com

Copyright: Permission to freely distribute on Internet. Permission required for print & audiovisual reproduction

What follows is the transcript of William Tompkins responding to questions on the second ExoNews TV episode (see above) presenting his testimony.

Interview Date: February 25, 2016

Location: San Diego, California

Published on ExoNews TV – 4/4/16.

Interview Key:

WT: William Tompkins

RW- Dr. Robert Wood

MS – Dr. Michael Salla

[For introductory comments and video analysis click here]

MS – In an exclusive interview with ExoNews TV conducted in San Diego on February 25, Tompkins for the first time publicly revealed the role of Reptilian extraterrestrials in Nazi projects. The following interview extract features Tompkins answering questions from Dr. Robert Wood and myself.

WT – The fact that the Germans were given this information from the Reptilians. They set up the program, they designed the program to support Germany, and they are giving Germany the UFOs.

RW – Was this an alleged fact in any of the briefings you delivered?

WT – Yes….

MS – How did the Navy spies learn about the [Reptilian] extraterrestrials helping the Nazis? Did they see Reptilians, did they read briefing documents, or did they hear chatter among the German scientists about the Reptilians, how did they learn about that?

WT – OK, the SS had many separate classified meetings, get-togethers, whatever. They formed an organization, a little bit like signing this thing over here when we first started talking [Memorandum of Understanding]… The SS then interprets this into a whole series of programs, and this then is disseminated through their specific military communication, whether it’s a major effort, or something that’s off on the side. All of this is documented and put together.

Now in addition to that, they had, if you want to call them, “consultants”, who are Reptilian consultants assisting on all of these different things that it takes to design and build these spacecraft carriers, and propulsion systems. So this is an extremely well developed program and documented like crazy. Getting copies of the documents was hard for them, hard for our spies. This was an open program in the upper level of the SS.

RW: It was compartmentalized.

WT: It was completely compartmentalized. It was well known there. People who had to do the work, had no knowledge at all of what it was for. They had to go do it, and so I guess it’s a little bit like a company that has the engineers do their effort, and then supplies are gained. You get all the supplies to build it, and then you have people build it. Only the very tip of the top have the knowledge of what this thing is even for. So that guy is working with a Reptilian. His group is working with Reptilians. They are doing, making sure that the engineering is engineered in a way to accomplish this thrust effort or this propulsion system.

MS: So the Navy spies reported back on what they had seen, or whatever documents they had retrieved, and that this was their conclusion that agreements had been reached with Reptilians, and Reptilians were acting as consultants with some of the Nazi SS compartmented programs.

WT: Even more than that. One of the packages that I got had a statement type thing. I don’t know how he got a hold of it. It was not the original agreement between the two countries, the extraterrestrials and Germany, but it alluded to this. You don’t have many of those around. There was this tremendous program to, which the operatives got into, where there were university type facilities where hundreds of thousands, of even Russian girls, were brought into these facilities. Certain groups of the troops would get them pregnant, and this program was then to come out with massive numbers, the reason I’m saying this is because it takes a long time to have a baby, and so you are not planning to win the war next week, but that part of their program was set up and structured to parallel a Reptilian battle group program to go to other star systems’ planets, and do the same thing that Germany was going to do to Europe, and to this planet.

Which is, in other words, it wasn’t just taking over the United States and killing some Jewish people …

RW: They were going to do it again throughout the galaxy?

WT: Holy cats the thing went way beyond that [world conquest]. Again, what we just said about this was the tip of the iceberg of what they were doing. Already Reptilians were doing it to other stars’ planets all over this area of the Galaxy…. These young kids, the operatives, they couldn’t believe half of what they brought back, what was going on. But some of them were really good people, and they knew how to get into places and listen to what’s going on, and finding what that guy he had talked to, or he heard, and going to so and so, because yes they were doing that over there. It goes to two countries away from an occupied country with a facility, a massive thing going,

And another part of it, they were even building boiler plate steel UFOs, 200 foot, 250 foot boiler plate steel, which is insane. But that group took the information that was given to them, and they didn’t even figure out it should not be steel, but the propulsion unit floated it up, just like it was a feather, and they were on a learning curve that you could do these things all over using standard mathematical, or standard technical terms of the way you would normally do it.

Thousands of engineering groups were working different aspects to all of this. Some of them had the vehicles, others they gave them a vehicle to reverse engineer, so they could become familiar with everything from the inside out. And so different people, different organizations could handle these different matters. It was a massive program. The mission was to take over the planet, kill off all of the ones that were a problem, and the rest of them make slaves out of them. Everybody on your planet, then second phase was to leave the planet with large squadrons of UFOs, after you’ve got them all built, and do the same thing to other stars’ planets. That’s the German will [plan?]…

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Previous ExoNews TV Interviews with William Tompkins

Navy Disseminated Nazi Antigravity Secrets to Leading U.S. Companies & Think Tanks (for transcript click here, for introductory article click here )

Related Books

William Tompkins autobiography, Selected by Extraterrestrials, is available at Amazon.com

Michael Salla’s Insiders Reveal Secret Space Programs and Extraterrestrial Life is available at Amazon.com

Copyright: Permission to freely distribute on Internet. Permission required for print & audiovisual reproduction

What follows is the full transcript of William Tompkins responding to questions on the first ExoNews TV episode (see above) presenting his testimony.

Interview Date: February 25, 2016

Location: San Diego, California

Published on ExoNews TV – 3/29/16.

Interview Key:

WT: William Tompkins

RW- Dr. Robert Wood

MS – Dr. Michael Salla

[For full introductory comments to interview click here]

MS: The following interview extract features [William] Tompkins answering questions from Dr. Robert Wood and I on the information he gained from the Navy operatives, the different corporations and thinks tanks he traveled to, and some of the aerospace technologies that were being secretly developed by the Nazis during the War. Tompkins begins the interview by describing the small office where the debriefings of the Navy spies took place at Naval Air Station, San Diego.

WT – We had this little small office. He [Rick Obatta] was commander of Naval Air Station, San Diego and so the admiral would be sitting here. I’m sitting next to him and one of my three captain bosses sitting here. A typist was sitting at the other side of the table and the Navy operative – a Lieutenant Commander or Lieutenant would sit over there. And he would lay out the information [with] some sketches, very few photographs, so it was almost all verbal, almost all. And if it was a system that we had already known about, other operatives from the information two years before, and it was an update of it, he would tie together all of the other organizations that were tied with that specific part, of say the cigar shaped vehicles, what the weapons were, what the operations were, the different companies underneath the ground, which were slave labor organizations.

RW –  I want to go back to this table where you and Rick [Obatta], the Captain and the Navy spies, sitting at this table, how many times did you get exposed to incidents like that. Was it ten or was it a thousand, like a hundred? It was four years right?

WT – I’d say a thousand, maybe 1200.

RW – Well that would be like every night for four years.

WT – Yes, it was like …

RW – Was it a nightly thing, typically occur day after day?

WT – They [Navy operatives] would stay with us for maybe a week, and we tried to put together, better define his information, OK. Then we’d put that together as a package and we’d fly that out.

RW – So it would usually be one source would give his story, it might take two or three days for him to give his story, and it would be packaged up, and then you would take it away.

WT – I’d say this continued …

RW – What I’m trying to do is grasp the overall scope of those say three or four hundred deliveries you’d make, and some of the stuff had to do with Nazi history. Did some of the scope have to with, for example, age regression, Nazi age regression, as well as Nazi UFOs?

WT – Most of it was Nazi UFOs

RW – I’m talking about what the Nazis were doing in a military mode.

WT – Yes, it went to weapons systems, all types of advanced weapons systems, all types of methods of war.

RW – Did you get exposed to the Hanebu craft designs, or anything like that during that time?

WT – I was involved in making sketches of some of the stuff that was actually there.

MS – Did you ever come across the term ‘Hanebu’ as a description for various models of German antigravity vehicles?

WT – No.

MS – What about Vril? Did you ever come across Vril as a designation, Vril 1, Vril 2 …

WT – Yes, but remember the stuff that we got … the wording was in English, some of the documents that we got were of course in German. But we didn’t get so much of the documents. It was mostly verbal, and it was saying, in his interpretation, that was another thing, because we had one of the guys to go check so and so, “I want you back over there, and I want you back here next month.” Then there’s updates to the information.

And so some of the stuff that was in German, we had another group of people convert it into English. So you are working with information that you don’t have background on, and so what you are trying to do is put enough of it together so that [for example] Lockheed could take that information, and develop it, interpret it and come up with something that could possibly be used.

When I said that many, remember that I went back to these facilities, sometimes six or seven times with updated information that we got. Because three years after they said it before, we got things now, it’s been developed. Now it’s this, this and this.

RW – So do you remember what kind of material you took to different places, JPL or Caltech as it was called then? At JPL would you take the material relevant to UFO craft or antigravity craft?

WT – Everything about propulsion, the different types of propulsion and the stuff, I had no idea what this was… Then controls, different types of controls, support systems. Almost any subject, any question you wanted to ask. Some of that information we were getting.

RW – Some of the groups didn’t get everything.

WT – No.

RW – So if there were six locations, Douglas, Caltech, MIT, is that right?

WT – Yes.

RW – And then Lockheed?

WT – Lockheed, Boeing, North American, Northrup, North American.

RW – So there were seven or eight different locations that you made deliveries to?

WT – No, it’s hundreds of different places we took the data. We took the data to every Navy Research organization. We took it to Navy Development Center, Warminster, Pennsylvannia. OK. That’s a big facility. I bet I went 20 times back there with stuff. The Caltech one, I didn’t even go to Pasadena for that. I went to the Navy’s weapons system at China Lake because Caltech was working on other programs there. They would pull their scientists off, whatever that was, and throw these guys into a package, and run with the ball…

Some of them that I went to, they wouldn’t let me disseminate the information, they were not interested. They didn’t want to have a thing to do with it. And I had that with several universities who were doing military programs.

RW: Was Purdue one of them?

WT – Yes, Purdue was one…. What I’m saying is that not everyone was willing to help the Navy.

MS – What about the Air Force? Like Wright Patterson?

WT – Yes, Wright Patterson … A couple of the admirals didn’t want that, but we had our list of who we thought could help. The point is that these went not document after document you gave them. You gave them information that was verbal almost, very little photographs, very little drawings of a specific part of the propulsion, or a method of control … of these things.

RW – Technical things.

WT – All technical stuff. I don’t mind talking about this because frankly I lived that thing for four years. It was staggering. The German titles or stuff was a problem, so we had interpreters there that would help us put the packages together to say to take to Douglas, OK? And so there’s the misinterpretations and stuff, that I’m right. All that’s part of it. You don’t get some nice good package, and so packages were taken to places that were insufficient information. So they would get all … upset with me. I’ve got to go get this and that.

RW – Even though you were not trained technically as an engineer or a scientist, you were exposed to technical information in this process. It’s usually put in terms of common language and common sense. So you understood it?

WT – I understood some of it. Some of it I had no idea what he was talking about, and I have to tell him that, you know.

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William Tompkins autobiography, Selected by Extraterrestrials, is available at Amazon.com

Michael Salla’s Insiders Reveal Secret Space Programs and Extraterrestrial Life is also available at Amazon.com

Copyright: Permission to freely distribute on Internet. Permission required for print & audiovisual reproduction

Click here to order from Amazon.com . Autographed copies available here

President Ronald Reagan made a startling admission in his Presidential Diary on June 11, 1985:

Lunch with 5 top space scientists. It was fascinating. Space truly is the last frontier and some of the developments there in astronomy etc. are like science fiction, except they are real. I learned that our shuttle capacity is such that we could orbit 300 people.

NASA’s Space Shuttle program at the time held a maximum of eleven people per shuttle, and only five were built for space flight. Even if all five took off together, it would be impossible to place and maintain 300 astronauts in orbit.

Finding the truth behind Reagan’s extraordinary revelation requires diving deep into the shadowy world of highly classified aerospace programs. The problem in doing so is not only that public documentation is at best scant, if available at all, but that possession of documentary evidence of such programs can be illegal. There are severe penalties for possessing and/or disclosing classified documents to anyone unauthorized to view them. It takes a brave whistleblower to come forward to disclose what he or she knows about classified aerospace programs.

A new book, Insiders Reveal Secret Space Programs & Extraterrestrial Alliances, introduces a number of whistleblowers who have made extraordinary claims regarding secret space programs that they either directly served in and/or were briefed about. In particular, the book investigates the extraordinary claims of Corey Goode concerning five secret space programs that he was directly involved with and/or been briefed about.

Goode says he completed a 20 year tour of duty from 1987 to 2007 in several of these programs. He reveals that in the course of his duty, he came into direct contact with different extraterrestrial groups and alliances that interacted with one or more of the space programs. Goode’s position allowed him unrestricted access to “Smart Glass Pads” that had extensive information about highly classified history, science, medicine and other topics related to secret space programs and extraterrestrial life.

Goode further claims that in early 2015, he was made the delegate of an alliance of newly arrived extraterrestrial visitors. This included a group called the “Blue Avians,” who facilitated meetings that he attended between the different secret space programs and/or different extraterrestrial alliances. He says that these new visitors have superior technologies in comparison to anything previously witnessed, and have implemented a solar system wide quarantine, which directly impacts all the space programs and other extraterrestrial groups, in tandem with the entire citizenry of Earth.

Available public documents along with other whistleblower testimonies help corroborate many of Goode’s claims, and provide an overall context for understanding the full scope of the multiple secret space programs. His testimony provides clear answers as to what Reagan was briefed about in 1985, and why the latter’s repeated offers of global cooperation to face an alien threat led to the sharing of classified space technologies that ended the Cold War.

Classified space programs have been an integral part of a complex jigsaw puzzle concerning UFOs, extraterrestrial life, ancient civilizations and advanced aerospace technologies, which have long defied any coherent understanding. Now finally, we have something to put all the pieces together with the disclosures of secret space program whistleblower, Corey Goode. A detailed investigation of Goode’s and other insider testimonies reveals the big picture of a parallel world of secret space programs and extraterrestrial alliances.

Learn from this book: how the Vril/Nazi flying saucer programs in the 1930’s gave birth to the ‘Dark Fleet’; how Project Paperclip scientists both helped and hindered the development of the US Navy’s ‘Solar Warden’; how the MJ-12 Group was behind the creation of the ‘Interplanetary Corporate Conglomerate’; and how Ronald Reagan was instrumental in the creation of the ‘Global Galactic League of Nations’ space program. Finally, learn how the Sphere Being Alliance and other extraterrestrials interact with these and other programs. The full disclosure of secret space programs and extraterrestrial alliances will unshackle the chains of deception holding humanity back from reaching its highest potential as galactic citizens.

About the Author: Dr Michael Salla is a former university professor in international relations, and is the author of Kennedy’s Last Stand: Eisenhower, UFOs, MJ-12 & JFK”s Assassination (2013), which has received many “outstanding” reader reviews; and author/editor of eight other books dealing with ‘Exopolitics’, International Conflict, U.S. Foreign Policy  and Global Peace.

Insiders Reveal Secret Space Programs and Extraterrestrial Alliances is published by the Exopolitics Institute and is approximately 420 pages in length. Cost of paperback version is $18.95.

Click here to order your Autographed Copy.  Free U.S. Shipping for all orders over $25.

Also available at Amazon.com in paperback and Kindle editions

Please Note: a percentage of all book sales go to Corey Goode in financial support as he continues his whistleblower disclosures.

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This is part 2 [click here for part 1] of the transcript of the explosive original testimony of Randy Cramer (aka Captain Kaye) who claims he served on Mars as part of an elite Mars Defense Force for just over 17 years. The main purpose was to protect a “Mars Colony Corporation” that had five civilian settlements on Mars from indigenous Martians. In the interview, Cramer describes how he traveled to secret Moon base to sign papers committing him to a 20 year tour of duty. He was then transported to a military base on Mars where his unit engaged in territorial battles with the native Reptilian and Insectoid Martians. This was Cramer’s second interview in a five part series where he described his training as a child super soldier to serve as a member of an elite Marine Corps unit that provides personnel for a secret space program with military bases on the Moon, Mars and other parts of the solar system.

Original Skype Audio Interview published through ExoNews.TV at https://youtu.be/YCTYkYcYuI0

Abbreviations:

M.S. Michael Salla, Ph.D.

R.C. Randy Cramer (Capt, USMCss)

[0.00] – Red timestamp refers to the time in the interview

Note. Randy Cramer used the pseudonym Captain Kaye in the five part series of interviews published in April 2014. Linguistic redundancies such as “you know”, “so”, “and”, “ah,” etc. have been removed when appropriate for correct grammar and ease of reading. An ellipsis … will signify removed text to correct grammar or eliminate reduncies. Timestamps will enable the reader to locate the relevant audio passages.

Formatting: All questions are bold highlighted, and normal text is the response by Randy Cramer (Captain Kaye).

© Michael E. Salla, Ph.D. Copyright Notice


Transcript of Interview conducted via Skype

Continued from Part 1

M.S. Right, now of course you arrived there on Mars around 1987, and 1975 was when Aries Prime was set up. Now this of course was during the Cold War, so was the Soviet Union a part of the Earth Defense Force and the running of Aries Prime?

[35.41]

R.C. Absolutely. Yes, the US, Russia, China, Germany, I mean everybody cooperated together. Absolutely it was taking place, and I have had this question a lot. How is it that these people cooperate, while at the same time, everyone is fighting. Like, who’s lying or is it just a show> I think the real answer to that is that the people who have separated themselves from regular state authorities over decades ago to establish the parallel organizations, are so separate that the people who don’t know what’s really going on, are really fighting with each other. They are all having all kinds of problems with each other, and hate each other, and want to kill each other. The people who have set themselves about that have done that other thing, which is we are going to cooperate for mutual goals and benefits, and try to sort out all these other problems down below over time by keeping them separate. So that’s just a little aside that explains why they do that.

[38.50]

M.S. I see, so at this point you are going to begin your official duties so what is it that you are now officially recruited into?

[37.02]

R.C. At that point I arrive at Aries Prime, and at that point we all get informed that we are now members of the Mars Defense Force (MDF). The MDF is the specific military organization, private contracted military organization which is specifically contracted to serve under the MCC [Mars Colony Corporation] to protect and defend the Mars Colony Corporation and its interests. We got informed you are now a member of the Mars Defense force, you will be assigned a chit, a little card, paper work that is going to tell which shuttle you are going to get on. Then you are going to get on that shuttle and that shuttle is going to take you to a station and that station is where you are going to be probably for the next 20 years, and when you get to that station then you will get informed exactly what you are doing, and exactly who you are working [with], and receive all necessary training equipment, etc., when you get there.

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So I get my chit, I got my stacks of paper work, wandering out on to the tarmac again, being directed towards which shuttle I got to be on. This time, these vehicles are pretty small as far as not being much bigger than half a bus. They’re like half a city bus, they’re not that big. I think these things only sat about 20 guys, plus a pilot and a co-pilot up front and rows of seats kind of facing each other with a door out the back. So you come up, get in, sit down. Seats aren’t even all full in this particular vehicle, there are only like 15, 16 people, so we had a few empty seats. Unlike the larger vehicle which was a very smooth, very quiet lift-off, take-off, landing, not a lot of movement or momentum or disturbances, this vehicle was kind of loud and you could definitely feel that you were kind of shaking and moving when it lifted up off the ground… [It] seemed to do most of its maneuvering at between 15-20 feet off the ground, it was a kind of low to the ground vehicle. I think it could go higher but staying low to the ground meant it was less a target, … [inaudible] could be a target for anything that was higher in the air.

[39.47]

We spent like what seemed like … three or four hours of flying across this red rocky landscape. So we got to forward station Zebra which is where I spent the next 17 plus years of my life as a member of the special tactical operations division of 098 Forward Station Zebra which also housed in a sister division unit which was less than a 100 feet from the main station. So that there are kind of like two separate stations right next to each other, which [was] division 097. Our sister division was 097, we were division 098 Special Tactical Operations Division, Mars Defense Force, Forward Station Zebra.

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We got there and we are introduced to that facility and again we are met by some young enlisted people who are already stationed there, walked us around, took us into the interior of the structure and then walked us around what I call, we called, “the horseshoe” because the main living quarters in the barracks was in the back, farthest retreat point as you come in the front, and the farthest at the back point of the station in a kind of horseshoe shape, so that the two horseshoe ends did come around and there was a hallway that connected them so they kind of formed a horseshoe shape…

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They led us down the horseshoe, and as we walked around we’re calling out names and pointing into the individual barracks for the squads which were 16 all the way around. There were alpha, bravo, charlie, delta, all the way around, and went down. They were calling out “so and so alpha”, “so and so bravo.” We get to delta and it was me and another guy. It was like, Cramer, Hansen, Delta Squad. So we went in there and they said wait here for the rest of your team to get back, and you’ll get briefed by them and told what to do. I could go into [great] detail into these sorts of things, but long story short, the rest of the squad came back. We met, familiarized ourselves, all realized that we were going to have to be friends, and that was the first day I got to meet my squad and realize what was going to happen.

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The next day was our first training day where we got to familiarize ourselves with the powered body armor, environment suits and the hand-held gauss rifles or magnetic propelled weapons, and practiced our simulations putting on and taking off our body armor, firing weapons, and shooting against what were supposedly known threats at the time. Got a briefing from the base intel officer on where we were, and what we were doing, what the threats were going to be… He explained to us the Mars Colony Corporations job is to extract minerals and resources that those folks do, and your job is to kill anything that tries to get in the way of that.

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We were informed that the native species of Mars were numerous as it turns out. There’s a number of living things that live on Mars now. The surface is still kind of sparse compared to what it used to be before the grand accident, as I kind of think of it. Which at another place in the story it will be more appropriate to tell that part, talking about the history of Mars as I’ve come to understand it, or came to be told it. So we were given a briefing on who and what’s what. So it turns out there were two main evolved species other than us who were living on this planet that we might have to contend with.

A native Reptoid species and a native Insectoid species that don’t necessarily live in the same areas, but have their own nests and hives, whatever they wanted to call them at the time.

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We were essentially treated to the typical [briefing], these are the native savages and beasts that you’re going to have to deal with. We weren’t given any kind of impression that these evolved or civilized cultures, or had high knowledge, or philosophy, or technology or anything. Just that these tended to be a really big pain in the butt that we were going to have to deal with. I learned later that that was not the case. These were a very evolved species, had quite a bit of intelligence, quite a bit of culture, quite a bit of civilization. We were not given that as a briefing.

[44.28]

We were explained what the main tactic and strategy of Mars was, and the way these beings worked on Mars was a constant testing of boundaries. Wherever your boundaries meet up against, a forward station meets up with the boundary of a Reptoid or Instectoid species, lair or hive, is going to be a place of contested space, where they will challenge that space. They will challenge that space as far as to raid and completely overwhelm your own hive or nest, as they like to call it. But they have a strategy, which is you don’t go in and completely eliminate somebody’s nest, you don’t kill everything inside the nest. If you actually get inside somebody’s hive or nest; or in our case our base, your goal is to kill all the soldiers, or kill all the army ants so to speak, or you kill, or break all the eggs in the hatchery, the next fringe generation of warriors. You’re not trying to eliminate or knock out the species since that would create a vacuum of space, and you don’t know necessarily what’s going to come in and occupy that neighboring space again because most of everyone is fairly contained where they’re at.

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There’s not a lot of a need to have a hive or nest to expand there, or there and there. There’s a lot of isolationist, we’re OK here [sentiment]. You stay where you are, and we’ll occasionally test your area, and test your space, and we’ll occasionally reduce your level to be a threat to us by stomping on all your eggs, or by stomping on all your soldiers so you have to breed or grow a bunch more. That maintains a certain balance of safety, and a certain balance of “we can all grow and get along without anyone having to get too crazy or out of line.” It keeps everyone in a constant state of war and conflict, and threat, and attack and defense. Our main strategy, as we were told, was to defend those borders, and to occasionally raid somebody else’s nest and follow those same conditions. If we raided … somebody’s lair or nest we were not expected to wipe them out with every technology we had. We were supposed to do the same thing which is to stomp on the eggs, or step on all the little hatchlings, and set them back a couple of generations long enough [so] that it will be x number of months or whatever before they are going to be able to formulate any kind of offensive again.

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We were informed that that was the way it was going to be and we were going to be spending quite a bit of time doing that. After the intel briefing on here’s where you are, here’s who you are fighting, and here’s where you’re going to be fighting it, we got a speech from the old man, the colonel of the base. A nice old guy, I mean a guy I still respect to this day quite a bit, who gave us his big speech on who we are, why we’re here. To be honest, it was a fairly motivating speech. He said a lot of positive things about who we are, and why we were there, what good we were doing there for our people on our planet back home, and why we should be proud of what we’re doing and where we are. Again, it was a good speech, I felt fairly motivated by it. So after we got everybody’s introduction speeches, then like I said, the next day it was straight … [unintelligible] figuring out how to work all the equipment …  We probably had our first skirmish by the fifth day I was there.

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M.S. You mentioned that the Reptoid and Insectoid races that were there were indigenous. I’m assuming that they don’t have anything to do with off-world Reptoid and Insectoid races that do have advanced spacecraft that travel through our galaxy, and have been reported to be interacting with people on Earth. That these indigenous Martian Reptoid and Insectoid races are some kind of indigenous development over many, many millennia.

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R.C. Yes, definitely, at that point I can go into a little more detail into what I understand to be the Martian history as it was told to me. I have to jump a bit ahead I guess otherwise it will be this very long story. So I’ll just jump ahead into this really interesting part. Some years later, well into my second decade of my service … at the time I had gone from being a plebe in a fire team, to the squad leader of Delta Squad and we were captured, intentionally by the Reptoid species who referred to themselves as the Gah Luka [phonetic] which is as much as we think of ourselves as Earthlings because we live on Earth, Gah Luk is the name they call their planet, their home, so they really just call themselves people of home, the children of Gah Luka.

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When we got captured, which remember was intentional, they decided that they had enough of whatever game playing we’d been doing over these years and it was time to get closer to who this hairless pink ape was that had landed and was giving them trouble. Again, they’re not savages. They’re very, very intelligent. In fact, they’re the remnants of the older ancient Martian species which was very advanced and had really advanced technology and space travel technologies. Advanced enough that they nearly destroyed themselves when they blew out their atmosphere. When the atmosphere got blown out, that essentially changed the pressure balance…. The pressure change made the oceans boil, and made the high pressure, low pressure systems so fast that 800 mph winds [blew]. While all of that air and moisture pushed out away from the planet and then gravity trying to pull it back in, some number of hours or days … was [all] that it took for the atmosphere [to] restabilize and create another bubble around it. By that time, everything had swirled around and thousand mph winds for who knows for how long, destroying every living thing on the surface.

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If they had not already taken serious effort to have very deep and strong, completely secure, hundreds of feet underground, bases or cities of their own, they would never have survived because everything on the surface was absolutely annihilated. My understanding of what happened at that point is the surviving Reptoids who were all underground at that point, there was a moment of realization and awakening for them to go “wow, we just killed our planet.” That was not very cool of us…. There was pretty much a division, and I won’t say right down the middle. There was two sides that formed out of this. There was those who said, “wow, we’ve done a bad thing and we’re going to have to pay our penance for this, and we’re going to have to stay here and fix this. We are going to have to stay here and heal our planet, and re-terraform our planet… If it takes the next ten, twenty, whatever thousand years, well that’s our responsibility and what we are going to have to do in order to fix what we’ve done which is actually kill everything on the surface of the planet.”

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The other faction was, “hell no, we’re getting out of here. Everything is dead, it’s gone, goodbye, it’s over. We might as well leave.” They picked up and left. It’s entirely possible or even likely that some of them came here [Earth], and that … one of the many species of Reptoids that came here ten or twenty thousand years ago that may or may not be friendly, giving us some trouble, certainly could have been some of those Martian Reptoids who left when that happened. I’m pretty sure it wasn’t only them, and I’m pretty sure there’s more species that have done more harm to us than they have. But if anything, they could be one of those mid-level management illuminati type species, or something that could be here on Earth, that could be an answer for that.

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But the ones that stayed, really changed their ways to be honest. The sort of difference between the northern tribes and the southern tribes, as they are known now, is that the southern tribe have decided that to appease their planet that they should return to the old ways. So much of their choice to fight with primitive weaponry, or to fight using more primitive warlike techniques is a very specific stance on their part to do what they think, which is to be true to the old ways of their world and of their planet in order to have this old warrior philosophy, and this old way of living, than having war, since obviously the new way got everybody killed… So  their philosophy is Luddite, “let’s go back, forward was bad, so let’s go back, that’s the way we should fix this.” So the southern tribes, I wouldn’t say they’re the friendliest or really the folks there that we would want to try and make good relationships with, or have positive relationships with, because they’re not interested in it. They are interested in a life of war, that’s what they do and they believe that’s being true to their planet, and their true being is to be warlike.

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The northern tribes are a little more varied, a little more different, and in some cases more mystical, more spiritual … and so when we were captured it was to get to the bottom of who we were and what was going on in our heads so that they could decide whether to wipe out this interloper that had come, this invasive species. Or whether it was something that should cohabitate and learn from this experience on their world as well. It was through a kind of lengthy process, a pretty painful torturous process, they weren’t nice about it at first. They were really wanting to get to the bottom of it. So there were a number of days where I was hung up with my arms, like this, in a stress position, being asked questions for a number of days before being let down, and allowed to mingle with the community and given a chance to participate as a member of the group. I felt really blessed, given that opportunity, and got to spend enough time to learn quite a bit, and in that period of time was also taken by a leader of that Reptoid tribe to meet the Insectoid tribe, and got to meet them for the first time through the Saurians, as a liaison, as a go-between. That was really interesting.

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The Insectoids were essentially a subterranean species who were coming along as far as higher intelligence, and their ability to manipulate their own biology, and ability to organically grow and hatch things the way they wanted to. They were very advanced for an insect species that don’t use any kind of electronic technology … we were surprised at the kind of thing that can be accomplished. Essentially, when the Reptoids were driven underground by the surface being destroyed, that allowed in the time of re-terraforming the surface, the opportunity for the insects to come to the surface and they started building large hives out on the surface to expand. The fact that the Reptoids nearly annihilated themselves is what allowed it [Mars] to become a two species planet…. This other species was able to sort of come out, secure some space; and according to the Reptoids own system of what they believe are laws [of] how their planet works, the insects could defend and maintain their space by playing with the same rules of respect and strength, then it was OK. They could set out their space and they could all cohabitate together, and still have the occasional skirmish or invasion of one another since that’s what you do sometimes.

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There was also interestingly quite a good peace treaty between most of the northern tribes and the insects. The insects and the northern tribes didn’t fight much. They really had their shit together. Anyway, I could blah blah about that, but I’ll let you ask another question or go on.

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M.S. Essentially, your primary responsibility when stationed at Forward Station Zebra was to participate in any Martian surface hostilities and to protect the Mars Colony Corporation, the different outposts they had there. I guess this may be what happened later, was there off world battles that you were a part of, or you knew were occurring and this was something you would support in some way, or later on became directly active in? 

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[R.C.]To my knowledge at the time, we weren’t given a lot of details in our daily briefings on what was happening outside of the Martian surface, or what was happening too far outside of our zone. We even didn’t get reports on what was happening at the other stations, or what was happening with the other settlements. We got really limited information on what was happening in our zone, and our area that our forward station was responsible for. We got the impression from everything else that was going on, that there was also a battle happening in the skies, with certain peoples. We couldn’t necessarily have a lot of information of who was fighting or shooting at who. I guess I should say this, the conflict itself, we didn’t understand who everybody was in this game, because while there were a native Reptoid species, and a native Insectoid species, and us, there also was an invasive Reptoid species which for several years we did not understand was separate from the native species.

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For a number of years we just assumed that a reptile was a reptile was a reptile, and they were all part of the same group, even if they were different in size, shape or color. They just must be different kinds of ranks, or distinctions, or individual races, that they are working with. We presumed for a long time that all the reptiles were the same, and they weren’t. There was an invasive Reptoid species, they were Draconians, Alpha Draconians. For a long time we thought the two reptiles were the same. The Draconians were really trying to play off, getting everyone else to fight with each other. So the more hostility, the more crazy action, they could encourage us to take against each other, the native saurian, the native insects, and us, was good for them. It took quite a bit of time to realize through good intelligence that was not the case, and we needed to sort of rethink what was happening. Our goal definitely was to defend everything and anything that threatened, but I just want to make the distinction that what we thought that was, wasn’t exactly what that was. It was partly because of bad intelligence, and partly because of species ignorance, like they all have the same thing … [without realizing] they were two completely different species.

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We didn’t know that the native reptiles and the invasive reptiles were fighting, and the insects and the invasive reptiles were fighting, and trying to get us to fight with each other, to keep us from fighting them. We didn’t realize that if we were under attack from the air, it wasn’t the same reptiles that were trying to attack us from underground, across the sand. So it was pretty confusing for while, as far as who was doing what, and what was fighting. Day to day operations was that if anything comes close, suit up, go out, fight with it. If anything comes to raid or invade, go through the protocols of defending the space until it’s over, then do the same thing the next day if you have to.

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M.S. There have been a number of sources that have described a human indigenous race on Mars that historically, at a time of devastation, that it’s possible that they emigrated to the Earth, and some of them went underground. Did you ever come across any kind of evidence, or any information about an indigenous human looking Martian race?

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RC. Not an indigenous one. It was explained to me that many different species have touched the surface of Mars over the years. Just like many species have touched the surface of the Earth over the years. So Mars is no exception to that. They certainly had a number of other Reptoid, Mammalian and other types of species that have come there, hung out for a while, stayed for a while, had conflict, then left. There were certainly times when the native Reptoids were not as advanced … [inaudible] add technology, help them, hinder them, use them … they’ve had kind of the same story but in their own unique way that we have in that way.

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M.S. So you’re stationed at [Forward] Station Zebra for 17 years and you’re doing all this fighting, suiting up to do battle with whoever is threating the Mars Colony or Aires Prime or other settlements, in your down time, what did you do for recreation. Did you travel to Aries Prime, and just hung out? What was happening in the down time?

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R.C. Oh, sure, we never left the station ever, unless it was military related, we had to go out to defend something, and come back. We never left. All our down time and recreation time was spent in the horseshoe pretty much. Luckily, there were the simulators which we used for training, could also be used for recreation. They’re essentially a kind of holographic experiential system that you hook into. There’s headgear, and a kind of body thing that you sit into, and you engage in this completely virtual experience that has the ability because it’s completely hooked into your central nervous system, to train muscle memory at the same time. So we actually did a lot of training in the simulators in which going through the virtual simulated experiences are actually doing all the same messaging, electro, bioelectrically through our bodies, at least doing the same training as muscle memory. The weight of information that is transmitted in the simulators, is faster than real time. So you can actually do 12 hours of training in a simulator, in three hours of actual time. So those same simulators are also used for recreation. OK, so where do we want to go today? Let’s go hang out on the beach. Ok, let’s go hang out at the beach. You plug into the simulator and hang out at the beach for the afternoon.

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M.S. I see, so for example female companionship, were females allowed on the station, or was it using these simulators?

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R.C.  It was absolutely mixed co-ed group. Men and women were assigned to the special tactical operations division there. Again, I would say in the supersoldier categories you still had this kind of two thirds, almost male, to a third female ratio. There definitely were more men than there were women, but in order to deal with that, in order to deal with what otherwise would have been a pretty competitive situation, the rules and regulations were pretty much set up for a very liberal approach to soldiers having sex with each other, both hetero and homoerotic in ways that were considered as long as it’s in your off-time, and it’s in such a way, do whatever you need to do to get your hormones out of the way. Otherwise there were too many fights and people were knocking each other out in the hallways over things that didn’t really matter. So it was a very liberal policy towards interaction. A very liberal policy towards sexual interaction and in your off-time you could pretty much do what you want. We did have a mixed bunch.

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M.S. After spending 17 years on Forward Station Zebra what rank did you attain, what responsibilities did you have, and what happened that precipitated the next transition in your own off-world activities.

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R.C.  I’m realizing that the question you asked me earlier I didn’t get to finish, [I can finish] by answering this question. In my capacity in special tactical operations division, I moved all the way up to Sergeant-Major after a 17 year 3 month period of time. Just a little over 17 years. At that time, a horrible disaster occurred. I’m going to have to choose my words carefully here. It wasn’t an accident, it wasn’t a natural disaster, but suffice to say that my division 098, our sister division 097, and two other divisions from a neighboring station 096 and 095, which is about 244 per division. 16 squads of 16 persons each which I think is 244 [actually 254] times four, nearly, just under a thousand of us. When it was over, out of that thousand, there were less than 35, [of] which I was a surviving member. It was a really bad thing which everyone got killed. At that point, it was over, the division was done. If they were going to rebuild the division, they were going to have to rebuild from scratch. There was no way you were going to take the six or seven guys out of the division that was left and watch the entire rest of the division get massacred, and put them back in, and be a part of the next division. That just wasn’t going to happen.

[1:10.57]

I had a superior officer who came to me when I was in my Med-bed recovering, and asked me if I wanted to go to a flight school and fly. I didn’t have to bat an eye. I was like of course I want to fly. He said, “great, as soon as you’re done here, the docs clear you here, we’re going to send you off to OCS [Officer Candidate School] Officer School, and you get to go fly. The last almost three years of my time, in my 20 year tour, I got to spend as a pilot, an officer, as a captain. At that point [OCS] was still in a marine air corps division … The Air Corps division interestingly enough, I think was modelled after a US Air Force program but contained a number of pilots and officers from other branches of the military. While we all got to wear the same uniform, we had distinctive ribbons and patches that identified exactly which service and country we were from. Unlike what it was like on the ground. On the ground we all had a completely different uniform, an MDF uniform, that didn’t have any of that insignia or marking on it. But when we moved to the flight division, that was different. We were more clearly identified as where we were from, and from what country we were from so that everyone… It was way more of an international mixing together. So that’s to answer the question about things that were happening in the air. Yeh, that last few years I got to spend in the air, in various skirmishes around the solar system, and doing a few interesting things in that capacity, Including the bombing of the Zeta base on Ganymede, which to my knowledge, our problems with the Zetas ended when we bombed the f. out of their base on Ganymede.

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M.S. I was going to leave questions about the last three years of your service for another part, a final concluding part, but I wanted to finish this part by finding out [about] this final battle where your division was wiped out with approximately a thousand casualties. Firstly what did that battle involve, was it the indigenous races there on Mars? Finally, what was the fall-out for the Mars Colony Corporation, were the Corporations activities destroyed, or inhibited by what happened to the Mars Defense Force.   

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R.C. All very good questions. Essentially at this time, just before this mission occurred, the war was over. A war which I had spent 17 years as a part of, but had started way before I did. My understanding, [it] raged for over 25 years. That was over, we had actually signed treaties with the native Reptoids and the native Insectoids, and had recognized the invading Reptoids [Draconians] as the bad guys, and had all got together and signed a treaty. [We] ganged up on them [Draconians], three against one, and drove them completely out of the Martian sphere for good. That was huge, that was a big applause moment and we essentially got told, “OK, we need you guys to go in to this Reptoid Hive which was supposed to be a much older, older site that had artifacts that are really old, that the scientists want.” [It] was not uncommon for them to find some area or ruin that had some old archeological facets, technologies that they would send us in to try and extract or get. Sometimes it would be just junk, and sometimes some interesting weird stuff. Sometimes it would be, oh, crap, there’s a nest of them here, and we’d run away, because we didn’t bring enough guys.

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We ended the war and instead of ending the war, they were like, OK, go get this thing at this site and we are sending four divisions, a thousand of you. Which is pretty weird to send a thousand guys on a go pick-up an object kind of mission. Most of us thought that was pretty weird and most of us had a bad feeling about what we were doing. We thought “wait, wait, wait, we don’t want this to be misinterpreted. We signed a treaty with these guys and we ganged up on the real bad guys with these guys, do we really want to risk [that] by sending a thousand guys to one of their older, more ancient temple sites that they’ve asked us not to go into? They’re not going to receive that very well.” Some of us were concerned. I certainly being a senior enlisted person protested to my command officer, to the command staff, and I protested to the old man [the commanding Colonel], used whatever weight I carried with him to say, “look, look, I don’t think this is a good idea. I think this is dirty, I don’t think we are going to make out with this, and we should know better that meeting these guys in the field, that they hold back, nine times out of ten. If they really come at us mad, we’re done. They’re really powerful warriors and most of the time they really fight restrained because if they really came at us with barrels it would be all over quickly. It’s no fun for them in that way.” Knowing that, I was not interested in walking into whatever we were walking into. But the old man really agreed with me, that he didn’t like it either. He said, “I got my orders, now you got yours, and do what I know you do best and get in there, get your job done and get out. If there’s a problem, get out. I trust you to command your people, and I trust you to be a top guy down there on the ground, and I … can’t be there which is why you’re going to be there, and that’s why I hope this is going to go as badly as I think it will either. But, we all got our orders, so go do it.”

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RC. We essentially had to come at this large underground ancient site through a series of tunnels and caves that kind of went down to it. We didn’t want to send everyone through one direction, plus that would have bottled us up in the smaller caverns we couldn’t fit more than six or eight guys across. You got a thousand guys, that makes crowded hallways. We try to keep … directions as we could. Sure enough, we get into this main domed building area which is essentially like standing inside something the size of the superdome or the astrodome or whatever. Some kind of domed sports arena. It was just that big and that round or so. We all kind of got down inside and we’re trying to communicate with HQ to figure out what’s next, and that’s when all the communications went dead, and our radios and our signals were jammed, and we all started looking at each other going this can’t be good. Then all round this large domed roof, at even intervals, what appeared to be rocky surface became doorways. I’m not sure if that was a solid holographic, or not a solid holographic, or what looked like solid wall, was all of a sudden not solid wall, and was doorways going all the way round this room. Like streams coming out of a drainpipe, from each hole come floods of these very large, very mean, very angry Martian [Reptoid] warriors, swaying around in both hands large bladed weapons. They just started moving around and surrounding everybody and moving in a big circle, a spiral, and swinging. An outer circle of all of our people just starting dropping and being cut, [we] tried to pull in, and pull in, try to get some distance to try to manage to fight and defend. No, it was like being caught inside a blender.

[1:20.38]

By that stage we, the egg heads, had developed a localized wormhole technology so a lot of our transporting of troops at that stage in the game, was being done by a localized wormhole phenomenon. But they [Reptoids] had completely jammed out ability to communicate, were jamming our ability to send localized troop transport coordinates … Someone managed to get their radio going correctly, or managed to get another signal on another frequency so they were able to connect to HQ, and try and communicate what was going on, and what we should do, what was happening. They kept telling us to stay put, not like we could do anything else, and any minute now they would have figured out how to get the wormholes back open and get us out of there.

[1:21.35]

Well what happened was the craft that uses the localized wormhole phenomenon [was jammed] so they had to use the larger ship transport wormhole phenomenon which created this large ship sized wormhole right above us. [It] sucked up the survivors, what was left at that point. The circle kept getting smaller and smaller, and then whoever got caught in the event horizon of that ship wormhole was sliced right off wherever they touched the event horizon. The next thing I know we’re on the Med-bay pad and medics coming in … [Randy gets very emotional] I can see her top half, blood coming out of her so fast that she went pale so fast, and lifeless so fast. All I could do was yell, “medic, medic, I need a medic over here. I got people dying.” It was chaos, and everybody died except the 35 or so of us that didn’t. My understanding was that this was a dumb command decision by people at the MCC who wanted whatever this thing that was so special … they were willing to violate treaty space, [what] we had already decided was treaty space, by sending a thousand guys to their death.

[1:23.10]

To my knowledge I think the MCC really suffered from that. I don’t think the native Martians would have chosen at that point to say, “you betrayed it, we’re going to wipe you out now.” I think they would have said, “well, we killed all your guys who came into our temple, like we told you not to. That will teach you that lesson.” I would imagine that anyone else who thought … [inaudible] a harsh response from them at that point. They essentially … [inaudible] parameters of the treaty. I seriously doubt that would degrade back into war based on the treaty we filed, but it would be seen as an overstep that was responded with, “well your guys came over here like they shouldn’t and we killed them all like we told you we would if you did. Don’t do it again.”

[1:23.56]

M.S. Well thanks for sharing that. I think a lot of the listeners would appreciate knowing exactly what it was that happened, even though the details are obviously a very moving and traumatic for you, a lot of viewers would benefit to know what exactly happened, and what the ramifications were. So I’m going to bring this part to a close, and then we will come back for another part to look at the final three years and wrap things up. I want to thank you Captain Kaye, and we’ll be back soon.

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This is the transcript of the explosive original testimony of Randy Cramer (aka Captain Kaye) who claims he served on Mars as part of an elite Mars Defense Force for just over 17 years. The main purpose was to protect a “Mars Colony Corporation” that had five civilian settlements on Mars from indigenous Martians. In the interview, Cramer describes how he traveled to secret Moon base to sign papers committing him to a 20 year tour of duty. He was then transported to a military base on Mars where his unit engaged in territorial battles with the native Reptilian and Insectoid Martians. This was Cramer’s second interview in a five part series where he described his training as a child super soldier to serve as a member of an elite Marine Corps unit that provides personnel for a secret space program with military bases on the Moon, Mars and other parts of the solar system.

The audio of the skype interview was released on April 8 2014, and was the first time Cramer had come forward with his “total recall” of events that occurred during his 20 year service from 1987 to 2007. In an earlier interview with Eve Lorgen in 2006, Cramer used the pseudonym “Zed” and described what he recalled at the time of his contact experiences with several extraterrestrial races. Cramer claims that in 2014, he was authorized to reveal his secret space program experiences through his military superiors in the USMC special section.

Original Skype Audio Interview published through ExoNews.TV at https://youtu.be/YCTYkYcYuI0

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M.S. Michael Salla

R.C. Randy Cramer (Capt, USMC ss)

[0.00] – Red timestamp refers to the time in the interview

Note. Randy Cramer used the pseudonym Captain Kaye in the five part series of interviews published in April 2014. Linguistic redundancies such as “you know”, “so”, “and”, “ah,” etc. have been removed when appropriate for correct grammar and ease of reading. An ellipsis … will signify removed text to correct grammar or eliminate reduncies. Timestamps will enable the reader to locate the relevant audio passages.

Formatting: All questions are bold highlighted, and normal text is the response by Randy Cramer (Captain Kaye).

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[0.24]

M.S. We are back with Captain Kaye and we are going to be discussing, what is the series of events that happened after he completed Project Moonshadow around the age of 17, and when he went off to do his service with the US Marine (Corps) special section. Randy why don’t you tell us what happened once you completed or graduated from the Project Moon Shadow.

[0.53]

R.C. Sure, it was a pretty short span of time between completing the program and then I would say there was about a 90 day period where a lot of the final testing, where OK, we’ve spent as much time as we going to spend training this thing, and spent as much time as we have building it, now we have to really see if it’s going to do what it’s going to do under a lot of different conditions. So there was an interesting 90 day period of going to a lot of different places as far as ecozones, as far as temperatures, environmental zones around the planet, to see how we operate under different conditions, and different scenarios. Sometimes working with or playing war games with other special forces units. In some cases actual live fire training exercizes where for us it’s a testing exercise, but for somebody else in another country it’s very real and they’re dead because of it. They were the live fire exercise that we got to be tested on. But certainly considered not a threatening enough force that you’re going to send your high tech machinery and get them damaged or something. You can pretty much guarantee that if they’re not broken, the other team is going to have no chance of winning.

[2.27]

Armed forces around the world have lots of AK47s and no shoes. These guys are not very equipped against skilled armed forces. If you’re in a test scenario, sure, why not send five of your supersoldiers against 50 of those guys and see how they do. Because you know your guys are going to win, but you want to see how they test under live conditions that’s a safe test. So after 90 days of that, then I was picked up under a regular routine pick up in the middle of the night, and then taken to Lunar Operations Command, and checked [into] a small living quarters area which is not much more than a jail cell size, but not a jail cell, I mean much more civilized than that. Not meant to make you feel like a caged animal, but about the same size … [with] a sink and a bathroom off to the side, a little desk and a chair. Your typical set up, like a college dorm or anything. We’re checked into that and told to wait until the sound of the bell out in the hall, and that was when everyone was supposed to come out and go to the hallway at the end of the door.

[3.52]

Before that, two military personnel, but again [wearing] whatever sort of LOC jumpsuits, battleship gray with some gold fringe. There were two of those they looked like maybe standard security guards, not much more than that or anything else. They weren’t heavily armed, but they had side arms. They escorted us, me, one at a time, as far as I could observe seeing other people coming and going in the same hallway being escorted by another two of these individuals in their gray suits with the gold fringe, and was taken to a large waiting area outside what was clearly a large bank of cubicles in which a lot of bureaucrats in various military uniforms were pushing paperwork. A lot of people were sitting around waiting for their names or their numbers to be called up, to be signaled to come and speak to these people. It’s a fairly large well lit area where everything is done, in yellow or goldish colors. That was the color scheme at that time anyway. Fashion or any other thing could have changed that by now, but at the time it was meant to be and sort of feel like a bright sunflower yellow. Like you’re waiting for the dentist or something, but in a really big room.

[5.28]

After some time of waiting, you’re called to come and sit down in a cubicle and have a junior officer in a uniform which I don’t quite recognize, but he identified [himself] as being an Air Force officer. This is an Air Force uniform that I’m not familiar with as far as seeing in the regular part of the Air Force. So I’m suspecting this  had something to do again, with a parallel Air Force branch and what their uniforms look like, but since I’m not super familiar with them, I’m only guessing at that.

[6.02]

He then pulls out a stack of paperwork and says, here’s your contract, I’m supposed to go over this with you, and talk about any questions you have, and get you to initial and sign in the right places, and then you move along. There was some kind of discussion  of him saying, OK, this is what you are going to do, you’re signing for a 20 year tour of service, but again don’t worry, it’s going to be alright. You’ll be done, we’ll wipe all those ugly memories out of your head that you’re not going to want to remember anyway, and then we’ll interject you back to right after we took you and age reversal, and you’ll get to live your whole life all over again, and it’ll be fine. You won’t lose any time, you won’t lose any years, and in fact you’ll come back to a nice cushy job. We’ll take care of you, you’ll be fine. Lots of reassurances that it’s no big deal. Everyone does this every day, it’s just the way we do things now. A certain amount of explaining what’s in the paper work, and what’s in the contract, and [you] just initial and sign in all the right places.

[7.01]

After not much debate or discussion, I had a few questions and he answered them, and eventually I realized as he was explaining, “look, you know, we sign this paperwork and you can move out of here. You can walk out of here to do your next thing, or we can sit here and talk a really long time about the paperwork that you have to eventually sign anyway.” He was a nice enough guy, he wasn’t being a jerk about it or anything. But it was clear, this has to be done. Paperwork has to be signed, and if I have any questions, ask them, but it really doesn’t matter. Just sign and we’ll move on. And so after that was done, then being escorted back to the temporary living quarters, and then being told to go ahead and take a break. Again wait for a bell in the hall, and then kind of dozing off, not sure for how long, hearing the bell in the hallway and then going out, going down to a long hallway, doorway at the end of this hallway. Everyone who is in these temporary quarter living rooms is coming out into the hall, and heading on down.

[8.07]

Then we open up to larger doors, which then opens up to a much larger room, a hangar bay essentially – we were right off the hangar bay. There’s a very large vehicle, I would call it more of a delta or bat wing shape, as opposed to round shape or disc shaped. More of a delta triangle, but maybe wider. What you would call a bat type shape, but pretty tall as far as from the bottom to the top part of the vehicle, I would say it was thirty, thirty-five feet. It looked like it was multiple stories and levels inside which appeared to be the case when we were inside, and the wingspan was probably, hard to judge distances like that, from that level, but I’d say it was easily between four hundred and five hundred feet wide, wingspan, from tip to tip. Then nose to tail, less than 150 feet. The front section had a large rounded nose on it, and you could see there was a slightly curved window, surface was curved, that appeared to be where the pilots might be sitting or operating from. It was pretty high up, kind of like [the cockpit] in a 747 which is up higher than the main part of the vehicle, kind of similar to that, but again with the dimensions I stated.

[10.00]

So I got in there, there were lots of reclining lounge seats, that sort of memory foam thing. You kind of sink in, you hear this air moving sound that kind of gets to form around, it gets a good grip apparently on your body. There’s some strap ends, and after some time of everybody fiddling and getting ready, once everyone is secure, there’s a few people that help everyone get sorted out if anyone is confused. Then the lights in the vehicle dim, and not unlike in an airplane, you hear the pilot over the speaker saying, “welcome everybody I’ll be your captain for this shuttle flight from Lunar Operations Command to your next station which you will not have clearance to know until we arrive. As soon as you arrive you’ll have security clearance to know where your destination is, but until we go there, you’re not cleared. Before we leave we are not cleared to know where the destination is, but the moment we arrive at our destination, then we’re cleared to know where we are.” I think that was very amusing, in my own sort of way. I get amused about the way they do security, and make these levels of secrecy and clearance.

[11.22]

He did something interesting, which I wasn’t expecting. He said, “none of you are going to see home for a very long time, it’s going to be a while. And so before we go we’re going to take one last look, and everyone is going to take one last good look at home, and give us a moment to think about why you want to come back, and why you want to protect the people and the family that are there, and why this is something worth fighting for,” or something to that effect. He said then, “we’ll pause and take a good long glance for a minute, and then we’ll be off, and won’t be back for 20 years.”

[12.07]

Interestingly enough, the feeling inside the vehicle when he pulled out of the hangar bay and positioned himself at whatever distance he was from the earth, whatever perfect distance they wanted so that when the visual array came on, and the ceilings became a projection of what the vehicle was seeing in front of it. You had, not unlike in a planetarium when you are lying back in a chair and you, by artificially having that space projected on the ceiling, can have [a] feeling or experience that you’re in space, or that space is around you. When you’re moving you get that sense you’re having artificial movement or something like that. Pretty much a similar way by having a big projection, a very clear projection in front of you of what’s happening. You really had a sense that we were all hovering in space in these chairs, staring out at Earth, getting our big look for the last time, and it was awe-inspiring. It absolutely stands out as one of the most amazing moments in my entire life. The moment I was at the perfect position, staring at the planet and being able to see it in its entirety. And not in a picture, it was there. It was moving and the clouds were moving, and the lightning storms were flickering and there’s activity that’s moving very slowly or very slight of it so far away you can’t see but you know it’s there, and there’s an ability to see that’s not anything like you could see it any other way. I mean seeing it in a picture is not the same, seeing a really good high definition image on a big screen just isn’t the same. Having the sense of being so huge that you are right there looking at it, Having that image be so clear that it looked like you were looking at the real image and the ceiling wasn’t there, but it was there, I’m sure. It was just awesome.

[14.24]

You know it was amazing to see that there was this entire thing that’s alive, it’s very clear from looking at Earth from space that she’s alive. That’s not just because there’s life on the surface of her, or just because we live there. There’s something very clear when you see this giant ball in space that it’s alive, and that there’s all kinds of people there. You don’t see borders. It’s a world without borders when you’re staring at it from space. There’s no lines that divide the countries. So you don’t look at it and think there’s America, there’s the United States. Hey there’s Germany. You say oh wow, that’s North America connected to South America, that’s Europe connected to Asia, and connected to Africa. You  really just see that it’s all connected and doesn’t have dividing lines, and from that perspective, whatever anybody could be bickering or arguing about down on the surface seems incredibly small, literally incredibly small, and you just get this sense that wow, I’m really in a special place. Not just staring at this thing, not just looking at her, but I’m in special place that I get to do something where I get to help keep her safe, and everyone who lives there safe, and all life that lives there now safe, and maybe if I’m lucky, all people who will ever live there, and all life that will ever live there safe in the future because of something that I do now. That just stuck with me, and struck me. I had a moment where I felt awe inspired, awe struck and that irregardless of however this was going to end up, this was OK, and this was special and I felt alright about that, and I felt completely OK with being in that special position. I was OK with that responsibility. I was happy about that. I was OK with it. It was just an amazing experience.

[16.22]

M.S. You want to maybe explain a little about Lunar Operations Command. I mean is it on the Farside of the Moon, is it an underground facility, how big is it?

[16.34]

R.C. That’s a good question and I can’t answer all those questions because I only had seen a certain amount of it. What I saw coming in to land was a certain sizable base on the surface, in which there’s a large, large landing platform. It’s kind of terraced up from the ground, from the lunar surface, and the platform, you could have put three or four of these things [triangular shaped craft] on top of there. It was probably almost a square mile platform on which to land things on, or at least half that or more. Then there were some smaller vehicles, kind of lined up in a row. A few, almost concert-like buildings, but they were huge, they were really big, they had a rounded feature. A couple of very large squarish rectangular buildings that didn’t seem anything extraordinary or unusual, and then once inside, a number of hallways, elevators, that clearly went down to the subsurface, below the lunar surface. I got the impression from the times I was there, and the areas I got to see that the place was absolutely massive. That station that I was at was at least the size of a medium city, at least. There was probably more than one of those medium size city complexes on the back side of the moon that we have something to do with, and are terrestrial controlled, but there are also, from what I understand, because the backside of the moon has been used for so long, by so many different species.

[18.44]

It’s kind of like Antarctica, it has these different areas where different countries and people can say we got this area, and we got this, and everybody respects everybody’s claim or area. So there are a number of areas that have been habituated by a number of different ETs that have had bases there for a long time, and they’re not going anywhere, apparently. Whether people are friendly or hostile, it’s kind of a neutral territory, so there’s places where those who don’t get along with others, cannot/be not too far from each other. But they don’t attack each other, they respect each other’s neutral space there on the back side of the moon, for whatever reason that the contracts, diplomatic arrangements is for that.

[19.30]

I think it because it goes back such a very long time that everyone respects it. From what I also understand there’s been a couple  times when war did come to the back side of the moon and it was bad enough in such a way that everyone said no, no, not here. This is neutral space for everybody to do what they need to do, but we can’t fight here or else we could risk losing the whole thing to somebody else or something. I think that was the deal. So I think it’s a pretty interesting mix of who’s there, what’s there, we’re there. What’s spread out over just what I’ve seen and what has been discussed with me. Clearly, not even all of what is there and what’s known about it has been part of my knowledge, my privy to what I’ve been briefed on. That’s about as much as I know about Lunar Operations Command.

[20.24]

M.S. The Shuttle craft that was taking you to its destination, do you know what the capacity of that was?

[20.32]

RC. I would have to guess because it was clearly multiple floors or levels in the interior and where I was at was clearly one area, and one floor and one interior, and whether the levels above and below were the same, or whether they were occupied by other cargo, storage, machinery or technology, I don’t know. If I was going to guess I would have to say that it had a capacity to move a capacity between a thousand and two thousand troops at a time. Maybe more.

[21.17]

M.S. OK, that’s quite big.

[21.20]

R.C. It was definitely built to move bodies for the most part. Again I’m only presuming maybe some other parts were also cargo. But it was definitely designed to move a lot of people the way it was set up.

[21.32]

M.S. With the papers that you signed was there any kind of description as to which particular service you were signing up for? Was it a more nebulous entity? What details do you remember from the papers that you signed? Who were you signing the next 20 years over to?

[21.54]

R.C. I was signing the next 20 years over to the Earth Defense Force, as a marine, as a United States Marine. That’s a question I asked, so I’m glad you asked this question …. I was like, “OK, who am I working for, what am I going to be here, help define this for me.” He said, “well you’re a marine, right,” and I said “Yes”. He says, “you’re still going to be a marine, you will always be a United States Marine, that is always what and who you will be.” He said, “but this is a contract, we are contracting you to the Earth Defense Force. The Earth Defense Force, once you’ve contracted to them, will have the ability to sub-contract you to one of the other organizations that needs people, or parcel you out to any number of EDF stations throughout the solar system.” He was like, “ah, most of them are boring, you’ll probably going to be guarding nothing, or listening to nothing, or you might get a really boring job on the ground somewhere.” He was really very [much] playing whatever was going to happen down, or wherever I might be, down. Which, not knowing where other people end up, I can’t say whether that’s part of the routine recruiters do, or whether he’s just trying to be honest. I think he was more just trying to get me to be happy with whatever his answers were so I would initial and sign so he could go on to the next person.

[23.17]

He said, “you’re going to be a member of EDF, and depending on where they send you from that point, will depend on what uniform you wear, and what people call you and what rank and so forth you hold. But you’ll always be a marine, and you may be something else temporarily or you may have to do something else temporarily. You’re going to know that as soon as you get to where you’re getting.” Part of his explanation was, “look, I can’t tell you what you’re doing next because I’m not cleared for that.”

[23.51]

He said, “all I know is that when you sign these papers it will set other actions into motion so that when you board the shuttle that leaves, another set of papers will be issued to you that will be opened upon your arrival. Those will be your new orders and your new assignment, and everything that you need to know. But before you leave, you don’t have a need to know that yet. It’s going to be in another file and when you get there, that will be handed to you, and you’ll get to know where you are, and someone will explain that to you.”

[24.24]

So he was vague enough, but tried to be reassuring enough that I wasn’t going to lose my identity, or that I was not going to be a marine, or sign over to some other organization that would compromise my values or ethics as a marine. He wanted me to feel comfortable about that, and just secure in the knowledge that we do this every day and it’s all going to be normal and fine, and it’s just go to be fine which is what he wanted me to be reassured of. But he was vague enough because they weren’t cleared to know that answer yet, so I wasn’t going to find out until I got to the destination.

[25.07]

M.S. So at that point in time, your knowledge of the Earth Defense Force was that similar to some kind of multinational covert agency dealing with space operations, kind of analogous to the United Nations where you can have different branches of the US [military] serving in different capacities, peacekeepers, advisers and so forth. In a sense, this is what was happening in space with the Earth Defense Force.

[25.33]

R.C. Yes, correct. My knowledge is that was basically correct and that again since my actual knowledge or briefing on this information at this time, at that time, was limited. I did get a debriefing when I got back 20 years later which, there was a little bit more. There was a farewell ceremony, a kind of big thing. I do remember at that time getting a little more of a speech about the goals and purpose of the Earth Defense Force and why it was put together. Essentially, in a similar way that these other separate parallel organizations were created. The Earth Defense Force was a parallel yet separate organization that was created mostly out of bodies out of the United Nations. Probably centered around the Security Council, because they’re the Security Council and they co-opt anything that has to do with defense and security. So pretty much out of the Security Council, the bodies that would form the EDF were formed and put together. This parallel organization was formed and stationed off of Lunar Operations Command so they would have as little contact with the surface as possible so that there would be as little possible bleed for security as possible. It would essentially create this sphere around the planet, and outside the planet to protect it from all things that might be harmful which we had come to know by that time. There were a few things that we should be concerned about and that just standing around with open arms was not going to be a good policy. We should have some kind of perimeter defense for whatever is coming next, or for whatever our next step into the intergalactic brotherhood is. You don’t necessarily want to do that without a guard dog on your front yard.

[27.26]

M.S. OK, so what was the destination and what was revealed to you when you arrived there.

[27.33]

R.C. The destination was Mars, it was the Mars Colony Corporation headquarters. There were five settlements, the main settlement was called something like Mars Prime; no sorry, it was Aries Prime. They are real creative. Instead of calling it Mars they called it Aries. So Aries Prime was the primary settlement, and the first settlement where the Mars Colony Corporation headquarters was. Then there were four additional settlements where I never set foot on. From Aries Prime [where] we were, we landed, and set foot on to a platform there and walked in to a very large facility right across the open Martian plateau which was hot, and [with] a cold breeze and thin but breathable air. The temperature range is quite wide so you really don’t spend any time out in the open Martian desert without an environment suit. Absolutely not, it’s pretty fatal to do so. I think that there was some dome shielding protection and we were kind of like down Aries Prime, down in a crater almost. There’s a natural canyon wall that kind of comes up round, it sunk in so the wind doesn’t hit it too hard. It was that particular time that we came out, it was, it felt like a hot day but there was a very cold wind that was blowing and you felt like you came out at 8000 or 9000 feet or something like that. The air was very thin, but totally breathable. I was really quite surprised to be honest, to have them just open up the door and say alright head for that other door and have us walk right outside but we did.

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M.S. Was the Martian terrain as we see in NASA photographs, with the red sky, and the reddish soil?

[30.07]

R.C. Yes, absolutely. It’s red, red, red everywhere because certainly all that iron oxide that’s left on the surface. It makes the main reflection red everywhere you look, and so not unlike, I’m trying to think now. Yes it was red sand, rocky, sandy from very fine textured sand to big boulder rocks, and very red. The only exception is sunrise and sunset, which for some strange reason, I shouldn’t maybe say a strange reason because it’s physics I suppose, there’s a period of time for maybe 15 or 20 minutes depending on the season when the sun is dropping below the horizon and it goes from red to purple. For about 15 mins everything turns this amazing shade of purple. The Martian sunsets for that reason, they’re not that bright, because the sun is pretty far away, but also amazed at how much light, being that far away, you still have. I distrust some of the things that people say about life on other planets and living on other planets, having been to another one and going, you know this is little different than what I thought it would be and what people said it is. Yes that sun is dimmer farther away, but it’s still amazing how [much] light you cast when you stick out your hand, or how much shadow is being cast when you look to see behind you to see what your shadow has cast. It’s still quite a lot of light but that purple thing really at sunset and at sunrise, is just really amazing, it’s really cool, and it’s short you only get to see one time of day, but it’s kind of dim purple everywhere.

[32.18]

M.S. Can you tell us about Aries Prime. When was that settlement first established, who are the colonists, and was it run by a particular country like the US, or was it multinational, or was it a corporate entity in charge.

[32.34]

R.C. My understanding is that the Mars Colony Corporation, again like every other part of the EDF [Earth Defense Force] is put together from parcels, service persons, scientists, advisors, engineers, business people, anybody that you want to put into the pool to be utilized, is put into the pool, and from those pools, decision makers pull out names and make lists of people that decide to do things. My understanding is that the Mars Colony Corporation was set up by multinational interests so that of all these different countries that participate they got together with their various parcels of business people, engineers, mining people, military advisors, intel people to get together because we need to form the Mars Colony Corporation so that we can go there and make it profitable. You know we can’t just spend trillions of dollars going to Mars for purposes of exploration without finding ways of extracting resources from it and make it pay for itself. Otherwise it’s just not going to go. So it was put together, all those various individuals, I don’t know exactly who they were, or who picked them, or what that process is other than whatever individual processes those countries have to put people into the pool, and which ever committees out of the [UN] Security Council, the EDF, or MJ-12 or ACIO [Advanced Contact Intelligence Organization] will get to decide then who does what.

[34.18]

The Mars Colony Corporation was set up in about 1974/1975. My understanding is that we were on Mars the very first time around the mid-60s, but really didn’t try to do anything serious, or really prepared to do anything with that until the 1970s. My understanding is that our first exploratory mission that was sent there to stay any length of time was 1970. Then after a few years it was decided that we were ready to go ahead and establish a Mars Colony Corporation foothold, and set up a few settlements and attempt to do some mining, and extract some resources to make it pay for itself. Apparently that was about 1975, when the Mars Colony Corporation set foot on Mars and started its first mining operation. That was 1975 to my understanding, as I was briefed.

[35.21]

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[March 20, 2015 – Kaimu-Kalapana, Hawaii] Today the moon’s shadow blocks the sun in a total or partial eclipse, depending on location, as well as the spring equinox. Today is also the official launch of a Kickstarter campaign for the making of a unique documentary film about how John F. Kennedy’s presidency was eclipsed by the dark shadow of a sinister force operating behind the scenes in the US government.

The planned documentary begins with Kennedy’s World War II experiences that laid the foundations for a powerful behind the scenes battle during his presidency to access the nation’s deepest national security secrets. Kennedy’s Last Stand is a documentary film project that will introduce evidence never before revealed about how President Kennedy learned about classified UFO files during World War II; and why his multiple attempts to gain access during his presidency to UFO related projects and files became a key factor in his assassination.

Kennedy’s Last Stand will be the first JFK assassination documentary to examine the close personal friendship between John Kennedy and James Forrestal, who became the first Secretary of Defense in 1947. The film will cover how Forrestal introduced Kennedy to the UFO issue during a trip to Germany in July 1945 when JFK witnessed advanced NAZI technologies that were repatriated to the U.S. under Operation Paperclip – an Operation Forrestal helped orchestrate as the then Secretary of the Navy.

Kennedy’s Last Stand will examine new evidence confirming the relationship between Marilyn Monroe and the Kennedy brothers, and how Monroe learned from Kennedy that he had seen retrieved a UFO craft and extraterrestrial biological entities. Monroe’s threat to give a Tell All Press Conference in Aug 1962 led to her murder in a way that implicated Robert Kennedy, who visited her twice during her final hours to retrieve a red diary with the President’s UFO secrets.

This film will reveal for the first time in any documentary how Kennedy’s dramatic Sept 1963 initiative to cooperate with the Soviet Union’s Nikita Khrushchev on joint space and lunar missions included a secret attempt to share access to classified UFO files previously denied to his administration.

Finally, smoking gun documentary evidence that Kennedy was assassinated before his efforts to gain access to classified UFO files succeeded will be examined along with the shadowy force and key figures behind his assassination.

Kennedy’s last Stand will be approximately 45 mins in length, and is planned to be released shortly before the Nov 22 anniversary of JFK’s assassination.

To learn more or to support this Kickstarter project, please visit the Kickstarter Film Project webpage, or the official film website – www.KennedysLastStand.com.

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