Secret Space Program Whistleblowers Under Scrutiny – Response to Richard Dolan

On July 16, leading UFO historian, Richard Dolan, released an article setting out his views about how to assess individuals who have claimed to have direct knowledge and experience concerning secret space programs. He explains his sympathy for the view that such programs exist, and that people have been through these programs where they have or want to come forward with what they know.

However, he describes his general skeptism about individuals who not only claim to be whistleblowers with detailed knowledge about secret space programs, but who also achieve a certain degree of public acceptance, while providing no evidence in support of their claims:

But when it comes to significant claims being made–really big claims that are not only radical on their own merits but which transform the field (and bring fame and money to those making them), then we clearly need a higher standard than “he seems like a good guy with a detailed story so I believe him.”

Richard views such individuals as wittingly or unwittingly muddying the waters, making it increasingly difficult for independent researchers seeking to ascertain the truth about these programs.

He describes three whistleblowers in particular who have come forward and gained a level of public attention with their incredible claims:

Some of the most prominent of these people include Andrew Basiago, Randy Kramer, and Corey Goode. These three individuals have each claimed to have gone to Mars for extended periods of time. That’s explosive enough, of course, but they have also stated that they have engaged in time travel.

Richard points out that the lack of evidence means that we need to take the whistleblowers word for it, which can be a dangerous thing for researchers:

Again, I must emphasize that none of these whistleblowers has made a claim that an independent investigator can confirm. Everything is based on trust. Believing such stories without genuine evidence takes us down a dangerous road within an already treacherous field that is constantly in the crosshairs of a skeptical establishment.

He is here attempting to steer what he perceives to be the middle path between a highly critical group of skeptics and debunkers claiming such whistleblowers are, at best, delusional or at worst pathological liars, and supporters accepting whatever the whistleblowers have to say on trust alone.

Richard refers to a series of emails he received encouraging him to come out against Goode in particular, who has recently been subjected to sustained criticism from Bill Ryan and Daniel Liszt (aka Dark Journalist) in a series of interviews. Ryan and Liszt have been a focal point for an internet campaign to discredit Goode as a pathological liar.

I have responded to their alleged impartial investigation of Goode elsewhere in terms of how they ignore documents and expert testimonies that validate Goode’s claims about his two-decades long background in the Information Technology industry. By ignoring Goode’s verifiable background, both investigators have deliberately attempted to cast doubt on his credibility by asserting that he came forward purely for monetary gain, as opposed to genuine whistleblower’ desire to reveal the truth about official wrong doing even at the cost of a once lucrative career.

I have reached out to Richard to share my assessment of Ryan and Listz’s hoax investigation, and included a link to the documents and experts I contacted and who corroborated Goode’s background. Richard has not replied, which I find surprising. Surely the willful obfuscation of a whistleblower’s background deserves public scrutiny and rebuke when investigators have acted inappropriately!

Yet apparently, Mr Dolan doesn’t agree. He doesn’t bring up any problems with Ryan and Liszt’s investigation of Goode in his post, but he does mention a problem with me. Apparently I have a trust issue:

I’ve known Michael for over a decade, and have had several long conversations with him. What I say here I have said to him personally: I believe he has done genuine and good research on a number of matters, but has a tendency to be too trusting. From my perspective, it’s always been like that. There are people who love his work, and there are haters. I am neither, but am always looking for information I can use. Sometimes I get good information and insights from his work and so I find him worthwhile to listen to, even if I don’t approve of his quickness to jump to conclusions.

I find Richard’s assessment that I have a “tendency to be too trusting” unsurprising since it reflects my contrary view of his tendency to be too dismissive of those sincerely and honestly stating their experiences. They may well be telling the truth about extraordinary experiences, but are dismissed simply because they don’t provide sufficient evidence to satisfy whatever standard he and other UFO researchers arbitrarily set.

To me, it has always been far more dangerous to exclude witness testimony simply because they don’t provide sufficient evidence to some arbitrarily defined standard, as opposed to seriously investigating it based on their sincerity, honesty and often sacrifice in coming forward.

It’s wrong to assume that an investigator “trusts” a whistleblower simply because he or she consider them sincere and thus worthy of serious investigation. I have found the above three whistleblowers sincere and worthy of serious investigation. That doesn’t translate into trust, however, which is a different thing altogether.

Richard Dolan and I agree that the entire subject matter of UFOs, extraterrestrial life and secret space programs is very highly classified, and that security measures have been implemented to perpetuate this. Indeed, the Edward Snowden document release confirms that the intelligence community in the five Echelon countries (USA, Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand) does perform covert online activities to sow confusion in the UFO field.

Richard believes that it stands to reason that the Deep State (aka Cabal/Illuminati) would attempt to muddy the waters by arranging for hoaxers, mind-control victims, assets, etc., to come in with false testimonies and disinformation. On this we agree, but it also stands to reason that there would be a lot of effort put in as well to discredit genuine whistleblowers, experiencers, etc., by the Deep State and its assets.

Why only focus on one aspect of what the Deep State is doing? After all, in the case of Corey Goode, I’ve found clear evidence of an underhanded attempt to smear him, where two investigators, Ryan and Liszt, have ignored documents and expert witnesses corroborating his work history, and claims in this regard. Couldn’t Ryan and Liszt be Deep State operatives who have been activated to discredit Goode?

Richard then takes on the case of William Tompkins, who unlike Goode, Basiago and Cramer, has numerous documents and experts supporting key aspects of his testimony. He says:

Bill Tompkins is an interesting case. He is in his 90s, and recently wrote a book entitled Selected by Extraterrestrials, which details his life and claims about having participated in the Navy’s top secret program to create a secret space fleet. Unlike the other alleged whistleblowers, Tompkins has a career that has been confirmed: he did work at Douglas Aircraft for many years and has very impressive credentials. That counts for something. I should add that Dr. Salla and Dr. Bob Wood have both done a great deal of work to investigate and confirm Tompkins’ background and found what they believe is at least some corroboration to Tompkins’ claims.

Indeed, Dr. Wood and I have found many documents and independent third parties supporting Tompkins’ testimony. I spoke with three retired Navy officers, who all vouched for Tompkins bona fides and aspects of his testimony which I detailed in my book The US Navy’s Secret Space Program and in earlier articles.

Rear Admiral Larry Marsh confirmed the importance of William Tompkins work with the US Navy League. Tompkins was President of the Medford Navy League Council and led Special Projects there.

Despite this abundant pool of evidence which has been publicly available for some time now, Richard Dolan remains on the fence about Tompkins:

Even so, I have my doubts about Mr. Tompkins. It’s not widely known, but I had the opportunity to be his publisher. After I learned about his credentials from Bob Wood, but before I read his manuscript, I had agreed in principle that I would publish it. But after reading the manuscript, I had to decline. I found the tone of this book to be perfectly designed to bring disrepute to the field and I wanted nothing to do with it. I found a number of obvious errors in the book and what seemed to me examples of self-aggrandisement that didn’t sit well with me. I wished Tompkins well and that was that. I haven’t made my final judgment on Tompkins, and perhaps I never will. If evidence can be brought forth to substantiate his key claims, then I will look at it.

Tompkins’ tone, draft book errors and self-aggrandisement were red flags to Dolan so he backed off. That’s fair enough for any publisher assessing a potential book, however, these are not things that would exclude Tompkins from being truthful in his recollections of events and people as he best recalls.

After all, Tompkins is 94 and was part of historic process which has culminated in the present state of affairs concerning secret space programs. I personally gave Richard a copy of my US Navy Secret Space Program book in which I lay out the evidence as I have so far been able to find.

Richard finishes his article by saying:

I remain willing to engage in a civil discourse with Corey, Andrew, Bill Tompkins, Michael Salla, or anyone else who has made claims. In a sense, I understand their position, since I know what it’s like to speak to staunch skeptics about the UFO subject. However, in any sort of engagement I have with such people, they must realize that the onus is on them to provide their evidence. That is what I do regarding UFOs. A story that is inherently unverifiable just doesn’t count, nor does it help if some other random person seemingly supports the story. Words alone aren’t good enough. Nothing can be taken at face value.

I am happy to engage in a civil discourse with Richard about the issues he has raised in his article and what I have pointed out in this reply. I consider him as someone with the kind of intellectual rigor and forthrightness that makes a public debate on these issues something valuable for all readers.

In finishing, I do have to express my disagreement with his conclusion that a story that is “inherently unverifiable just doesn’t count”. Just think of the implications of eyewitness testimony to crimes being dismissed because there is no evidence they provide, or means of investigating the veracity of their claims, which may appear incredible given the present level of technological awareness in open source society.

Wouldn’t that play into the hands of criminal syndicates with the power to remove and manipulate incriminating evidence? My conclusion is that this is precisely what is happening when it comes to learning the truth about secret space programs, the groups running these operate very similarly to criminal syndicates under the cover of national security.

All testimonies count. We can learn a lot by both exposing those out to hoax us or who act out of delusion, as well genuinely investigating those telling us the truth as best as they recollect. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater is precisely what the Deep State wants us to do when it comes to assessing incredible whistleblower claims about secret space programs.

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    Jude O'Connor

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    Think about this for a moment…. Germany had “V”rockets over seventy years ago and were building flying disks we call UFO’s too. Examine the “Paperclip”program. We stole their scientists and medical research for a trade off of letting Hitler live in South America. The information is out here yet many still believe the media and government to be truthful.

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    Glenn Marks

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    Interesting that no one expects Mr. Dolan to be a mole. Given the amount of deception occurring at this time and the power of the Illuminati to finance it, the first thing people should suspect is a mole and not to at least suspect it indicates gullibility in my mind and there is certainly too much of that. What has not been pointed out is that Corey Goode was told he would be attacked months before it occurred and that it would be orchestrated, and sure enough it transpired when for a few years Corey was not attacked like over the past few months. The attacks came as if on cue, which is highly suspicious. What’s more most of the attacks are nit picking, nothing in it in other words.

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        Glenn Marks

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        Thanks, Maria. I’ve never heard that but it makes perfect sense to me given Bill Ryan and others are joining the fray against Corey Goode as if its orchestrated.

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    MileHiLife

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    Literally TRILLION$ of U.S. taxpayer dollars unaccounted for, and, likely never will be because the Fed has NEVER been audited. Where do these funds go? If you don’t realize just how much a single trillion is — much less tens of trillion$ — it’s more than enough to fund an entire off-planet civilization. It’s this uber secret SSP as the reasoning (along with lining Deep State pockets) for where this stolen money went — a view shared by many high-credentialed whistle blowers, researchers, even former U.S. H.U.D. Secretary and whizkid, the one & only Catherine Austin Fitts. Only prob is…for now anyway — we can’t PROVE it.

    Mr. Dolan believes in alien abductions, but I’ve yet to see a scalpel mistakenly left inside a probed abductee for proof. Only “victims” words from foggy memories for the overwhelming majority. Many only found out they were abductees AFTER undergoing hypnosis. Doesn’t Dolan believe in a U.S./alien agreement allowing for the occasional human abduction in exchange for technology? Nope, haven’t seen those “official” doc’s as proof either — only conjecture. Dolan’s buddy, fellow researcher and author — the great Linda Moulton Howe — seems to believe in many of the aforementioned though has yet to produce undeniable, concrete evidence (aside from cattle mutilations of course). Why NO attacks from Dolan on LMH’s offerings?

    I take it Dolan isn’t much a fan of Greer’s work, either? Yeah, neither am I…though I can’t prove his theories wrong as I’ve NO proof. William Tompkins is one of, if not THE highest credentialed UFO/alien/SSP whistle blowers in this field, but even with his undeniable engineerimg & naval career — his words are just that. I, too, am suspish of his claims, but the man passes the “eye test” on credibility with my own intuition. That said, I’ve been duped more than once and don’t consider myself a gullible person…but, who knows? These are interesting times, indeed, and why you’re even reading my OWN words right now as we sift through this mess during our Quest for Truth — together, for humanity’s sake…but, mostly for our own curiosity.

    I LIKE ICKE, but can’t prove Sir Davids oft shared theories on multiple dimensions or blood-letting Lizard Queens. No quantifiable proof, just Words on Tour… coming to a city near you! Thankfully, there IS proof regarding his long & lonely held view about satanic pedophiles in key positions running our world government and religions. Does that mean he’s right about Anu reptilians being our overlords? Not necessarily, still no verifiable proof for the masses.

    Being honest, I’ve wavered on buying Goode’s claims…Wilcock’s, too. It’s that part we ALL struggle with…the part that WANTS to believe. He seems sincere, but is it due to his memory being MK’d/planted, or is it legit? Is it real or is it Memorex?

    I mean, don’t we ALL wanna take a cruise to the stars in an orb? Can I get a HELL YEAH!! I’ve already made plans on how to customize my orb-whip with hydraulics, bouncing on 24’s tricked with moonwalkers shinin’ while I cruise the galaxy…top down of course. Talk about lookin’ fly…literally (while the gods only drive jalopy chariots…HA!) Wonder if orbs come in any other color than Transparenty Kinda Blueish Tinge? I digress…

    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence…something we’ve yet to see from Corey OR the Dark Journalist. Let’s face it — until we see, touch, hear and taste an Antarctic alien giant ourselves (cancel that “taste” part) we’re simply not going to be-LIE-ve it.

    Or, not until it’s makes mainstream television news…

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    Mark Fletcher

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    I agreed with Richard Dolans recent article to which Mr Salla refers and found it refreshing in that it brought us back to reality to an extent as it is all too easy to get carried away with all the claims on the internet on what is an absolutely amazing subject. But I too agree with Michael Salla’s response to Richard in that we must not dismiss things that inevitably will always be difficult to evidence. I’ve seen things in the sky that I can’t explain and my wife simply mocks me! I know what I’ve seen and I know what they aren’t but can I prove it? No of course not but I’ve seen them none the less. These highly intelligent and measured individuals are all we have at the moment in trying to make sense of it all and it would be such a waste if they weren’t able to combine their shared knowledge and points of view to work together, sometimes not in agreement but surely in respectful shared ambition to seek the truth because we all know it is there just waiting to emerge to the general population, sooner rather than later, and its all thanks to the work of these acclaimed individuals.

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    Blubber Butt

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    Well said (that was my thought throughout reading this and I see another reader used that phrase). Obviously, Mr. Dolan has never seen a UFO. I don’t have evidence (I was a teenager out with friends one summer night, no cell phones in the 80s) but I know what I saw. Because of that experience, I use my gut regarding the validity of others’ information. Perhaps the whistleblower info wasn’t meant for the paid, academic, shill like disbelievers but for those of us in need of it. Those of us hungry for it so we can make sense of what we experienced and why. The meek shall inherit the earth.

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    Tiger Windwalker

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    The Close-Up Button

    Imagine that there is a close-up button that has four holes in it with threads running through the holes going somewhere, but you don’t know where. Know imagine that all you really know (because of proximity, perspective, conditioning, theory or assurances) is exactly that button. You live on that button and you call it “home”. Yes, the holes and threads lead to questions about origins and natures and suggest a bigger picture regarding greater connections that your button could make….but you have no way to see the bigger picture because you are so close-up to that button that you really have no idea. Along comes a unique individual who claims to have travelled off the button into the larger space around the button and that person says that they have seen the whole button and that it is actually a part of a garment that is quite big and colorful, seems to drape over huge spaces and somehow is connected by a whole array of other buttons…kind of like the one you’re on. However, this intrepid person cannot produce any proof for his claims except for his rich revelations of his journey and his testimony of a reality far bigger than any we would have expected. We only have his assurances that what he has experinced is real. Not many have travelled off our familiar button so we can’t be sure. We are intrigued but, at the same time, skeptical because what this person says is so at odds with what we have been taught about our home, the close-up button.
    Then a few other intrepid explorers show up and confirm what the first person said about the greater reality out there. The society of the close-up button begins to break up into three groups. #1 “the I don’t care” group #2 “this guy must be crazy and has no proof” group and #3 “I always thought that reality was bigger than this button” group. But something really unusual begins to happen. The society of the close-up button begins to become energized and nervous. Suddenly more and more of its members seem to be ready to believe that “this” button cannot be all there is. There is a ferment, a restlessness, that begins to grow in the society. More and more “button people” start asking questions about the “what” “where” “how” and “why” of reality…..they want to know more. They demand that all the telescopes be turned “off button” and swung around to survey the greater reaches of the cosmos. Again they contemplate the holes and threads. “This must be the clue!”, they say. We must be connected to something greater. Soon…more and more intrepids show up recalling times and experiences that they have had “off button”. Eventually, when historians looked back, they could see that there was a time when this “close-up” button had to evolve into a greater awareness and consciousness of its place in the great garment of the heavens. It was not really a causal principle, but more about readiness….the people just became ripe and ready for a change in the way they saw things. And so it was, they embraced a greater truth about their larger context and finally saw how important their little button was in the scheme of things….and how all the buttons played a role in tying the greater garment together.

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    donnafritz

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    Although I believe that we’re being visited by an advanced civilization that may or may not be extraterrestrial, it doesn’t matter to me if there’s a secret space program or if the more fantastic claims are real, fake, or imagined, although I’m skeptical about most of them.

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    Wendy Thompson

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    I personally lean toward R. Dolan in this situation. I need more corroboration before I would be willing to believe 100%. However, I must admit that in spite of the minimal corroboration, I believe that all testimony is of value. Furthermore I respect Dr. Salla’s logical, concise, and respectful response to R. Dolan on a subject which is clearly of importance to both. I would encourage a public debate between the two of them, as proposed by Dr. Salla. May the winning side be the truth for the public to benefit from.

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    MileHiLife

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    Literally TRILLION$ of U.S. taxpayer dollars unaccounted for, and, likely never will be because the Fed has NEVER been audited. Where do these funds go? If you don’t realize just how much a single trillion is — much less tens of trillion$ — it’s more than enough to fund an entire off-planet civilization. It’s this uber secret SSP as the reasoning (along with lining Deep State pockets) for where this stolen money went — a view shared by many high-credentialed whistle blowers, researchers, even former U.S. H.U.D. Secretary and whizkid, the one & only Catherine Austin Fitts. Only prob is…for now anyway — we can’t PROVE it.

    Mr. Dolan believes in alien abductions, but I’ve yet to see a scalpel mistakenly left inside a probed abductee for proof. Only “victims” words from foggy memories for the overwhelming majority. Many only found out they were abductees AFTER undergoing hypnosis. Doesn’t Dolan believe in a U.S./alien agreement allowing for the occasional human abduction in exchange for technology? Nope, haven’t seen those “official” doc’s as proof either — only conjecture. Dolan’s buddy, fellow researcher and author — the great Linda Moulton Howe — seems to believe in many of the aforementioned though has yet to produce undeniable, concrete evidence (aside from cattle mutilations of course). Why NO attacks from Dolan on LMH’s offerings?

    I take it Dolan isn’t much a fan of Greer’s work, either? Yeah, neither am I…though I can’t prove his theories wrong as I’ve NO proof. William Tompkins is one of, if not THE highest credentialed UFO/alien/SSP whistle blowers in this field, but even with his undeniable engineerimg & naval career — his words are just that. I, too, am suspish of his claims, but the man passes the “eye test” on credibility with my own intuition. That said, I’ve been duped more than once and don’t consider myself a gullible person…but, who knows? These are interesting times, indeed, and why you’re even reading my OWN words right now as we sift through this mess during our Quest for Truth — together, for humanity’s sake…but, mostly for our own curiosity.

    I LIKE ICKE, but can’t prove Sir Davids oft shared theories on multiple dimensions or blood-letting Lizard Queens. No quantifiable proof, just Words on Tour… coming to a city near you! Thankfully, there IS proof regarding his long & lonely held view about satanic pedophiles in key positions running our world government and religions. Does that mean he’s right about Anu reptilians being our overlords? Not necessarily, still no verifiable proof for the masses.

    Being honest, I’ve wavered on buying Goode’s claims…Wilcock’s, too. It’s that part we ALL struggle with…the part that WANTS to believe. He seems sincere, but is it due to his memory being MK’d/planted, or is it legit? Is it real or is it Memorex?

    I mean, don’t we ALL wanna take a cruise to the stars in an orb? Can I get a HELL YEAH!! I’ve already made plans on how to customize my orb-whip with hydraulics, bouncing on 24’s tricked with moonwalkers shinin’ while I cruise the galaxy…top down of course. Talk about lookin’ fly…literally (while the gods only drive jalopy chariots…HA!) Wonder if orbs come in any other color than Transparenty Kinda Blueish Tinge? I digress…

    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence…something we’ve yet to see from Corey OR the Dark Journalist. Let’s face it — until we see, touch, hear and taste an Antarctic alien giant ourselves (cancel that “taste” part) we’re simply not going to be-LIE-ve it.

    Or, until it’s makes mainstream television news 😉

    Dr. Salla — Sincerest Thanks for ALL the “words” you’ve contributed toward my own journey to the stars…and beyond…

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    Teresa Bromaghim

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    I understand our inherent need as humans to defend our position when it’s mentioned in such public manner. I’m sure it’s easy for me to say this because it wasn’t my name that was being discussed, but I think you’re taking Mr. Dolan’s comments about you too personal. He didn’t say anything derogatory about you as a person, not in my opinion at least. He merely pointed out that you are more accepting in nature than he is. Each of us have our own individual way of measuring what we’re willing or unwilling to accept.

    It reminds me of comparing people’s willingness to give money to people on a corner, holding signs asking for money. Some people are more inclined to give without passing judgement as to whether the person is indeed able to get a job like everyone else, while others wouldn’t consider giving them a single penny. Please don’t read anything into the money aspect of my analogy, as that isn’t the point, but more so we each have our own standard of credibility we need to meet.

    I also don’t think there is anything wrong with a healthy debate on the topic. However, it is somewhat sad that what I perceived to be someone’s personal explanation on how they choose to use or not use research info, was interpreted as a personal insult, even if a name was used as means to compare. Of course, there’sthere’s always a good possibility that there is more to the story than what has been shared publicly too. I just wanted to say that I did not perceive Mr. Dolan’s words as a personal attack against you Dr. Salla. It didn’t give me any cause at all to question your body of work.

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      janice1960

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      I didn’t get the impression at all that Dr. Salla was feeling personally attacked or insulted by Dolan. Where did you see that? He’s just taking his rightful turn in the debate.

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    Maria Angelica Brunell Solar

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    I haven’t read the whole comment thread, but the main point for me is that the deep state is making a desperate effort to discredit some witnesses and researchers, via suspected controlled agents such as Ryan, Liszt and Dolan, and the UFO community is swallowing the bait and wasting time and energy taking sides, Our focus should be on preparing ourserves and others for the coming disclosure,event.

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    Savanna

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    Well said… just what I thought like the commentor below. It’s tough in this world of FAKE NEWS … FAKE NEWS that has been going on certainly since ancient Egypt… anyway, it’s difficult to make sense of ‘what is reality?’ Who is telling the TRUTH the best they know how. And who isn’t. There is no solid ground beneath us humans on Earth, except within yourself, your own Divine Knowing.

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    Sekret Machines

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    Michael, this is where as a researcher you are just plain wrong. Those whose claims cannot be verified (whether they are who they say they are or not), should not be given a major platform to spout out what they want into this field. The community should not accept any old charletons without full background checks on them. Anyone can claim anything and you say that’s ok? I’m sorry Michael, but your credibility has taken a major dive on this and you are bring down the community standards.

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      Maria Angelica Brunell Solar

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      You should follow this controversy more closely and watch the videos Dark Journalist has done, together with the responses given by the people he and his interviewees are disparaging. You would see the obviously bogus nature of his accussations and the way he pushes his witnesses to say what he wants. You are to fast to discredit Dr. Salla, and that is exactly the purpose of those suspected Cabal agents, divide and conquer!

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      janice1960

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      What exactly do you mean by “the community”? Are we ALL part of this community, because I don’t recall asking you or anyone else to control what information is put out to the public. Does “the community” have to agree on everything and only peruse information that is “approved” by the self-appointed know-it-alls who are more intent on attacking the efforts of others than on putting out new information of their own?

      It’s funny that most of these attackers are linked to a forum with many practitioners of Scientology, which was created by a real proven charlatan and black magic practitioner by the name of L. Ron Hubbard. From what I hear, this forum has a secret forum within the forum in which they discuss their little Scientology discussions. These people have their own unverifiable and fantastical beliefs and cry out that “battle lines have been drawn” when their own backgrounds are being investigated.

      Sorry, but I don’t want to be part of their community and I wish they would just keep to their own increasingly irrelevant forums and stop the “fair game” tactics. If Scientology and auditing is so great, then maybe they can show us some verifiable proof. How about the one about the time-travelling Scientologists from 900 years in the future who are trying to change things in the present? I sure would like to know more about that. And just exactly how do you distinguish between a black Scientologist and a white Scientologist, anyway? What’s the story on Xenu? Or is this secret information too dangerous for all us weak-minded “wogs” and “squirrels”? I wonder what Bill Ryan would say?

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    Kauf Dink

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    “They may well be telling the truth about extraordinary experiences, but are dismissed simply because they don’t provide sufficient evidence”
    Dr. Salla might not have grasped the basic philosophical aspect that the claims by Goode et. al. are not FALSIFIABLE or PROVABLE. They hence have NO VALUE in a debate or – heaven forbid – as a tool in advancing the Ufology field.
    I find it _astounding_ that someone with a PhD – like Dr. Salla – has yet to grasp this simple concept. He naively supports the business ventures of a host of “whistleblowers” (they are not, as whistleblower status requires a background proven beyond doubt) whose tales cannot be independently (!) corroborated.
    Ockhams razor tells us that human motives such as commercialisation, corporate growth (e.g.Gaia TV, the corporate entity which is backing this cancer of Ufology) or the ongoing satisfaction of any proponents’ narcissistic tendencies are far more likely and credible motivators than the tales they come up with. Oh, and never mind any possible disinformation attempts by external parties, e.g. in order to undermine the 20 years of SERIOUS Secret Space Program research (say Catherine Austin Fitts, J. Farrell, R. Dolan, Mark McCandlish, Michael Schratt, even Gary McKinnon…).
    Dr. Salla already severely hurt his reputation by getting in a book deal with Wilcock, Goode etc. (prefacing the upcoming releases of graphic novels, action figures etc.?), whilst the profiteers and the corporate entities make an extra dime by utilizing his PhD title as a simple marketing tool – in order to add a veneer of “academic respectability” to their ventures.
    Does he really not see how transparent this all is? These people are out for the buck and surely LAUGH BEHIND HIS BACK.
    My conclusion: Goode (and his handler D. Wilcock, who has abandoned research some while ago, and is now literally giving Corey his talking points on “Cosmic Disclosure”), Cramer, Basiago etc. are just the newest incarnations of Dan Burisch, Howard Menger, Van Tassel etc.. If you “accept” his “testimony”, you have to accept theirs as well – hey, they made a claim – and albeit they were profiting of it in several mundane ways, they have to be believed, just as Dr. Salla stated.

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    Lewis Michael Rhinehart

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    Dr Salla, I find this piece to be well thought out and very reasonable and fair. Lewis – VP for Science and Education of MARS (Mars Anomaly Research Society)

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    Jude O'Connor

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    Consider : The Warren Report
    Hitler in South America
    JFK, Robert K, and JFK Jr.
    The Clintons
    Pearl Harbor
    etc, etc, all thought to be bogus at one time.

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    Katherine Kowalchuk

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    Thank you for this article. I listened to the entire Dolan Interview and believe that it’s sour grapes. I’m new to this community, but Dolan struck me as a petulant adolescent who’s bitter about not having achieved a certain level of success or possibly notoriety. Further, his comments about requiring evidence to support Goode’s assertions remind me of the arrogance of various atheists who refuse to believe in deities absent some sort of proof. I am further surprised that the UFO community appears to be stuck on requiring the government to independently verify claims such as what Goode espouses. I choose to believe that anything is possible and don’t require or expect the government, who cannot be trusted whatsoever, to independently verify programs they’ve spent years lying about or concealing. How would any of us believe their “truth”, even if the government did disclose said information. I don’t know about you, but when I’ve been lied to and manipulated by someone for years, the likelihood that I would believe anything they said is a slim probability. Trust in intuition….

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    Odilo von Steinitz

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    Have a look at Bill Ryan’s videos and look at voice stress and some very interesting non verbal clues. Would you then be able to certify that anything he claims is true? I rest my case.

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      Maria Angelica Brunell Solar

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      And the way he pushed one of his inteviewees to say something against Jordan Sather (one of “Goode’s kids”)! He seems completely CIA to me.

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    MileHiLife

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    Literally TRILLION$ of U.S. taxpayer dollars unaccounted for, and, likely never will be because the Fed has NEVER been audited. Where do these funds go? If you don’t realize just how much a single trillion is — much less tens of trillion$ — it’s more than enough to fund an entire off-planet civilization. It’s this uber secret SSP as the reasoning (along with lining Deep State pockets) for where this stolen money went — a view shared by many high-credentialed whistle blowers, researchers, even former U.S. H.U.D. Secretary and whizkid, the one & only Catherine Austin Fitts. Only prob is…for now anyway — we can’t PROVE it.

    Mr. Dolan believes in alien abductions, but I’ve yet to see a scalpel mistakenly left inside a probed abductee for proof. Only “victims” words from foggy memories for the overwhelming majority. Many only found out they were abductees AFTER undergoing hypnosis. Doesn’t Dolan believe in a U.S./alien agreement allowing for the occasional human abduction in exchange for technology? Nope, haven’t seen those “official” doc’s as proof either — only conjecture. Dolan’s buddy, fellow researcher and author — the great Linda Moulton Howe — seems to believe in many of the aforementioned though has yet to produce undeniable, concrete evidence (aside from cattle mutilations of course). Why NO attacks from Dolan on LMH’s offerings?

    I take it Dolan isn’t much a fan of Greer’s work, either? Yeah, neither am I…though I can’t prove his theories wrong as I’ve NO proof. William Tompkins is one of, if not THE highest credentialed UFO/alien/SSP whistle blowers in this field, but even with his undeniable engineerimg & naval career — his words are just that. I, too, am suspish of his claims, but the man passes the “eye test” on credibility with my own intuition. That said, I’ve been duped more than once and don’t consider myself a gullible person…but, who knows? These are interesting times, indeed, and why you’re even reading my OWN words right now as we sift through this mess during our Quest for Truth — together, for humanity’s sake…but, mostly for our own curiosity.

    I LIKE ICKE, but can’t prove Sir Davids oft shared theories on multiple dimensions or blood-letting Lizard Queens. No quantifiable proof, just Words on Tour… coming to a city near you! Thankfully, there IS proof regarding his long & lonely held view about satanic pedophiles in key positions running our world government and religions. Does that mean he’s right about Anu reptilians being our overlords? Not necessarily, still no verifiable proof for the masses.

    Being honest, I’ve wavered on buying Goode’s claims…Wilcock’s, too. It’s that part we ALL struggle with…the part that WANTS to believe. He seems sincere, but is it due to his memory being MK’d/planted, or is it legit? Is it real or is it Memorex?

    I mean, don’t we ALL wanna take a cruise to the stars in an orb? Can I get a HELL YEAH!! I’ve already made plans on how to customize my orb-whip with hydraulics, bouncing on 24’s tricked with moonwalkers shinin’ while I cruise the galaxy…top down of course. Talk about lookin’ fly…literally (while the gods only drive jalopy chariots…HA!) Wonder if orbs come in any other color than Transparenty Kinda Blueish Tinge? I digress…

    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence…something we’ve yet to see from Corey OR the Dark Journalist. Let’s face it — until we see, touch, hear and taste an Antarctic alien giant ourselves (cancel that “taste” part) we’re simply not going to be-LIE-ve it.

    Or, until it’s makes mainstream television news 😉

    Love Ya, Dr. Salla, and ALL the “words” you’ve contributed toward my own journey to the stars…and beyond…

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    Tim Tempest

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    If you cant see that Corey Goode is lying then your’e in the wrong field..Tompkins I also felt he was bigging himself up rather too much

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      Maria Angelica Brunell Solar

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      And if you cannot see that Dark Journalist is lying, when it is so obvious, then you should do something to develop your intuitive capabilities!

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    Rob Wold

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    Rightly so, your defense. Every day, juries overseeing cases in courts view the evidence presented and adjourn to discuss those points. Decisions are often made on the basis of what is called…’the best evidence’. All dedicated investigators like Richard Dolan are essentially asking readers to do the same, since much of what is presented carries risks that it is also tinged with disinformation, mental manipulation [techniques we, the general public, are only now beginning to understand] or spoken to trumpet personal achievements for self-gain. We are quickly learning the tools of discernment and my personal conclusion is that these gentlemen are all telling the truth they know and are well aware of the risks they are taking to present it out of a great sense of integrity.

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    For What Its Worth

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    Richard Dolan is not incorrect in his pointing out that there should always be a healthy skepticism when there is a lack of any empirical data with which to back up claims, especially one’s as wild as the one’s mentioned. I for one do not think his statements were wrong by any stretch of the imagination but rather articulate a good empirical approach to fact finding and validation of Truth.

    To do otherwise plays into the “de-bunkers” and their supporters hands. Disinformation can be far more damaging to the efforts to find the Truth on these and associated topics than anything else. It is not that anecdotal data without supporting documentation is without merit. It must be there so that the path can continue to be identified and explored awaiting real empirical data that eventually will manifest itself (or not). Either way, Truth will still be served and the integrity of the methodology kept intact.

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    Kauf Dink

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    “They may well be telling the truth about extraordinary experiences, but are dismissed simply because they don’t provide sufficient evidence”

    Dr. Salla might not have grasped the basic philosophical aspect that the claims by Goode et. al. are not FALSIFIABLE or PROVABLE (regardless if any of it could prove to be true at point in the future).
    They hence have NO VALUE in a debate or heaven forbid, seriously advancing the Ufology field.

    I find it astounding that someone with a PhD like Dr. Salla has yet to grasp this simple concept. He naively supports the business ventures of a host of “whistleblowers” (they are not, as that requires a proven background) whose tales cannot be independently (!) corroborated.

    Ockhams razor tells us that motives such as commercialisation, corporate growth (e.g.Gaia TV, the corporate entity which is backing this cancer of Ufology) or the ongoing satisfaction of any proponents’ narcissistic tendencies are far more believable and credible motivators than the tales they incoherenly come up with. Oh, and never mind any possible disinformation attempts by external parties, e.g. in order to undermine the 20 years of SERIOUS Secret Space Program research (say Catherine Austin Fitts, J. Farrell, R. Dolan, Mark McCandlish, Michael Schratt, even Gary McKinnon…).

    Dr. Salla already severely hurt his reputation by getting in a book deal with Wilcok, Goode etc. (prefacing the upcoming Comics and Action figures), whilst the profiteers and the corporate entities make an extra dime by utilizing his PhD title as a simple marketing tool – in order to add a veneer of “academic respectability” to their ventures.

    Does he really not see how transparent this all is? These people are out for the buck and laugh behind his back. Corey Goode (and his handler D. Wilcock, who has abandoned research some while ago, and is now literally giving Corey his talking points on “Cosmic Disclosure”), Randy Cramer and Andy Basiago are just the newest incarnations of Dan Burisch ,Howard Menger, Van Tassel. Run as far as you can and do NOT yield any room in serious Ufology to these frauds and clowns.

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    MileHiLife

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    Anyone else here being censored for NO good reason? Trying to figure out who’s doing it…Disqus and GooPle work arm & arm, and GooPle/YT etc has been ramping up their censorship of late as the Cabal’s lies are being exposed at an exponential pace. Yep…words are swords, information is true power and they’re rapidly losing this War of Truth. (aaand this post goes POOF in 3…2… )

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    MileHiLife

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    (Keep flaggin’ Trolls, and I’ll keep reposting. SHILLarious!)

    Words are Swords…
    Literally TRILLION$ of U.S. taxpayer dollars unaccounted for, and, likely never will be because the Fed has NEVER been audited. Where do these funds go? If you don’t realize just how much a single trillion is — much less tens of trillion$ — it’s more than enough to fund an entire off-planet civilization. It’s this uber secret SSP as the reasoning (along with lining Deep State pockets) for where this stolen money went — a view shared by many high-credentialed whistle blowers, researchers, even former U.S. H.U.D. Secretary and whizkid, the one & only Catherine Austin Fitts. Only prob is…for now anyway — we can’t PROVE it.

    Mr. Dolan believes in alien abductions, but I’ve yet to see a scalpel mistakenly left inside a probed abductee for proof. Only “victims” words from foggy memories for the overwhelming majority. Many only found out they were abductees AFTER undergoing hypnosis. Doesn’t Dolan believe in a U.S./alien agreement allowing for the occasional human abduction in exchange for technology? Nope, haven’t seen those “official” doc’s as proof either — only conjecture. Dolan’s buddy, fellow researcher and author — the great Linda Moulton Howe — seems to believe in many of the aforementioned though has yet to produce undeniable, concrete evidence (aside from cattle mutilations of course). Why NO attacks from Dolan on LMH’s offerings?

    I take it Dolan isn’t much a fan of Greer’s work, either? Yeah, neither am I…though I can’t prove his theories wrong as I’ve NO proof. William Tompkins is one of, if not THE highest credentialed UFO/alien/SSP whistle blowers in this field, but even with his undeniable engineering work & naval career — his words are just that. I, too, am suspish of his claims, but the man passes the “eye test” on credibility with my own intuition. That said, I’ve been duped more than once and don’t consider myself a gullible person…but, who knows? These are interesting times, indeed, and why you’re even reading my OWN words right now as we sift through this mess during our Quest for Truth — together, for humanity’s sake…but, mostly our own curiosity.

    I LIKE ICKE, but can’t prove Sir Davids oft shared theories on multiple dimensions or blood-letting Lizard Queens. No quantifiable proof, just Words on Tour… coming to a city near you! Thankfully, there IS proof regarding his long & lonely held view about satanic pedophiles in key positions running our world government and religions. Does that mean he’s right about Anu reptilians being our overlords? Not necessarily, still no verifiable proof for the masses.

    Being honest, I’ve wavered on buying Goode’s claims…Wilcock, too. It’s that part we ALL struggle with…the part that WANTS to believe. He seems sincere, but is it due to his memory being MK’d/planted, or is it legit? Is it real or is it Memorex?

    I mean, don’t we ALL wanna take a cruise to the stars in an orb? Can I get a Hell Yeah! I’ve already made plans on how to customize my orb-whip with hydraulics, bouncing on 20’s tricked with moonwalkers while I cruise the galaxy…top down of course. Talk about lookin’ fly…literally (while the gods only drive jalopy chariots…HA!) Wonder if orbs come in any other color than Transparent Blueish Tinge? I digress…

    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence…something we’ve yet to see from Corey OR the Dark Journalist. Let’s face it — until we see, touch, hear and taste an Antarctic alien giant ourselves (cancel that “taste” part) we’re simply not going to be-LIE-ve it.
    Or, until it’s on mainstream television news 😉

    Love Ya, Dr. Salla, and ALL the “words” you’ve contributed toward my journey to the stars…and beyond…

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    MileHiLife

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    Words are swords…
    Literally TRILLION$ of U.S. taxpayer dollars unaccounted for, and, likely never will be because the Fed has NEVER been audited. Where do these funds go? If you don’t realize just how much a single trillion is — much less tens of trillion$ — it’s more than enough to fund an entire off-planet civilization. It’s this uber secret SSP as the reasoning (along with lining Deep State pockets) for where this stolen money went — a view shared by many high-credentialed whistle blowers, researchers, even former U.S. H.U.D. Secretary and whizkid, the one & only Catherine Austin Fitts. Only prob is…for now anyway — we can’t PROVE it.

    Mr. Dolan believes in alien abductions, but I’ve yet to see a scalpel mistakenly left inside a probed abductee for proof. Only “victims” words from foggy memories for the overwhelming majority. Many only found out they were abductees AFTER undergoing hypnosis. Doesn’t Dolan believe in a U.S./alien agreement allowing for the occasional human abduction in exchange for technology? Nope, haven’t seen those “official” doc’s as proof either — only conjecture. Dolan’s buddy, fellow researcher and author — the great Linda Moulton Howe — seems to believe in many of the aforementioned though has yet to produce undeniable, concrete evidence (aside from cattle mutilations of course). Why NO attacks from Dolan on LMH’s offerings?

    I take it Dolan isn’t much a fan of Greer’s work, either? Yeah, neither am I…though I can’t prove his theories wrong as I’ve NO proof. William Tompkins is one of, if not THE highest credentialed UFO/alien/SSP whistle blowers in this field, but even with his undeniable work & naval career — his claims are just that. I, too, am suspish of his claims, but the man passes the “eye test” on credibility with my own intuition. That said, I’ve been duped more than once and don’t consider myself a gullible person…but, who knows? These are interesting times, indeed, and the reason why you’re even reading my OWN words right now as we sift through this mess during our Quest for Truth — together, for humanity’s sake…but, mostly our own curiosity.

    I LIKE ICKE, but can’t prove Sir Davids oft shared theories on multiple dimensions or blood-letting Lizard Queens. No quantifiable proof, just Words on Tour… coming to a city near you! Thankfully, there IS proof regarding his long & lonely held view about satanic pedophiles in key positions running our world government and religions. Does that mean he’s right about Anu reptilians being our overlords? Not necessarily, still no verifiable proof for the masses.

    Being honest, I’ve wavered on buying Goode’s claims…Wilcock, too. It’s that part we ALL struggle with…the part that WANTS to believe. He seems sincere, but is it due to his memory being MK’d/planted, or is it legit? Is it real or is it Memorex?

    I mean, don’t we ALL wanna take a cruise to the stars in an orb? Can I get a Hell Yeah! I’ve already made plans on how to customize my orb-whip with hydraulics, bouncing on 20’s tricked with moonwalkers while I cruise the galaxy…top down of course. Talk about lookin’ fly…literally (while the gods only drive jalopy chariots…HA!) Wonder if orbs come in any other color than Transparent Blueish Tinge? I digress…

    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence…something we’ve yet to see from Corey OR the Dark Journalist. Let’s face it — until we see, touch, hear and taste an Antarctic alien giant ourselves (cancel that “taste” part) we’re simply not going to be-LIE-ve it.
    Or, until it’s on mainstream television news 😉

    Love Ya, Dr. Salla, and ALL the “words” you’ve contributed toward my journey to the stars…and beyond…

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    Dane Arr

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    The polarity we are witnessing is very much about certain parties becoming irrelevant in the twilight of of UFOlogy. For so long the bar has been very high on evidence, so high that those presenters have become lost in the details they feel required to furnish, their myopic pursuit incapable of visiting the bigger issues about our own government and its secret space program. Did the Pentagon admit that they lost 6.5 trillion dollars? Sixty-five thousand billion dollars is a lot to lose buying conventional weapons, or even exotic ones.

    The secret space program exists and it turns the conversation from proving UFOs exist to explaining it ALL. The people who have built their careers of combing over the details to preserve THEIR credibility are irrelevant to those who want to discuss the big picture. The market of ideas is changing and Dolan, Ryan et al are being left behind, their hard work becoming history itself as people shift from feeling doubt to belief and curiosity. Now they want details about the big picture. They are now connecting the dots themselves. In commerce this shift is called going from novelty to general acceptance or mass consumption. The game changer is Antarctica and it has already happened. There is no going back.

    Dane Arr
    Prepare for Change

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    MileHiLife

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    Words are swords…
    Literally TRILLION$ of U.S. taxpayer dollars unaccounted for, and, likely never will be because the Fed has NEVER been audited. Where do these funds go? If you don’t realize just how much a single trillion is — much less tens of trillion$ — it’s more than enough to fund an entire off-planet civilization. It’s this uber secret SSP as the reasoning (along with lining Deep State pockets) for where this stolen money went — a view shared by many high-credentialed whistle blowers, researchers, even former U.S. H.U.D. Secretary and whizkid, the one & only Catherine Austin Fitts. Only prob is…for now anyway — we can’t PROVE it.

    Mr. Dolan believes in alien abductions, but I’ve yet to see a scalpel mistakenly left inside a probed abductee for proof. Only “victims” words from foggy memories for the overwhelming majority. Many only found out they were abductees AFTER undergoing hypnosis. Doesn’t Dolan believe in a U.S./alien agreement allowing for the occasional human abduction in exchange for technology? Nope, haven’t seen those “official” doc’s as proof either — only conjecture. Dolan’s buddy, fellow researcher and author — the great Linda Moulton Howe — seems to believe in many of the aforementioned though has yet to produce undeniable, concrete evidence (aside from cattle mutilations of course). Why NO attacks from Dolan on LMH’s offerings?

    I take it Dolan isn’t much a fan of Greer’s work, either? Yeah, neither am I…though I can’t prove his theories wrong as I’ve NO proof. William Tompkins is one of, if not THE highest credentialed UFO/alien/SSP whistle blowers in this field, but even with his undeniable work & naval career — his words are just that. I, too, am suspish of his work, but the man passes the “eye test” on credibility with my own intuition. That said, I’ve been duped more than once and don’t consider myself a gullible person…but, who knows? These are interesting times, indeed, and why you’re even reading my OWN words right now as we sift through this mess during our Quest for Truth — together, for humanity’s sake…but, mostly our own curiosity.

    I LIKE ICKE, but can’t prove Sir Davids oft shared theories on multiple dimensions or blood-letting Lizard Queens. No quantifiable proof, just Words on Tour… coming to a city near you! Thankfully, there IS proof regarding his long & lonely held view about satanic pedophiles in key positions running our world government and religions. Does that mean he’s right about Anu reptilians being our overlords? Not necessarily, still no verifiable proof for the masses.

    Being honest, I’ve wavered on buying Goode’s claims…Wilcock, too. It’s that part we ALL struggle with…the part that WANTS to believe. He seems sincere, but is it due to his memory being MK’d/planted, or is it legit? Is it real or is it Memorex?

    I mean, don’t we ALL wanna take a cruise to the stars in an orb? Can I get a Hell Yeah! I’ve already made plans on how to customize my orb-whip with hydraulics, bouncing on 20’s tricked with moonwalkers while I cruise the galaxy…top down of course. Talk about lookin’ fly…literally (while the gods only drive jalopy chariots…HA!) Wonder if orbs come in any other color than Transparent Blueish Tinge? I digress…

    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence…something we’ve yet to see from Corey OR the Dark Journalist. Let’s face it — until we see, touch, hear and taste an Antarctic alien giant ourselves (cancel that “taste” part) we’re simply not going to be-LIE-ve it.
    Or, until it’s on mainstream television news 😉

    Love Ya, Dr. Salla, and ALL the “words” you’ve contributed toward my journey to the stars…and beyond..

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    yutumu

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    Okay…. this is getting ridiculous and totally out of hand! Firstly, everyone is entitled to their opinions.
    Opinions without adequate facts or verifiable proof are just opinions, and until verified will remain opinions. I do not know who is right and who is wrong… it almost doesn’t matter anymore.
    It is becoming clear, at least to me that this “difference of opinions” or “disagreement” has escalated into a feud… and that’s where I feel compelled to remind all who are emotionally caught up in this mess
    to just step back and try to think rationally. Try to remember that the Truth community has enough problems with credibility and doesn’t need this drama. After all, aren’t we all looking for the truth? Aren’t we supposed to be on the same UNITED side? Isn’t it US against theban guys?
    This feud or whatever, is turning into a classic Cabal tactic: Divide and Conquer – and if I’m correct,
    everything is going to plan for the opposition….
    So… congratulations. We have all played into a very negative and destructive psy-op… and for christ sake, we need to find our common ground and learn to deal with differences of opinion and yes, even some dissent and insults from time to time.

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      Terry Tibando

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      That’s what I have been saying! Take the time to read my article on my FB page CSETI Vancouver (scroll down) called The Propaganda Campaign of Deception: “Ufology is in a Mess” and then you’ll understand what’s going on!

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        MileHiLife

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        Terry,
        The Divide & Conquer tactic is a long held and proven Masonic/Jesuit/Satanic strategy. My bet is that this is exactly who this “propaganda campaign of deception,” as you call it, was designed and perpetuated by. Either because A) We’re getting too close to the truth, and they need a distraction to protect their own “secret” knowledge, or B) They designed the entire UFO/Alien/SSP and even perhaps the latest craze, Flat Earth, from the get-go to keep us sheep distracted from a multitude of things, like passively waiting on aliens to save or destroy us, or C) To dismiss various religions and their God(s), or D) To prime the masses for an upcoming Project Blue Beam.

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          Maria Angelica Brunell Solar

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          Excellent comment, thanks!

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    Terry Tibando

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    It seems to me that Dr. Michael Salla is in denial, refusing to think that that maybe he made a mistake in supporting people who have not been properly vetted or cross-referencing any of their credentials or interviewing the people who know these witnesses and their careers.

    The UFO Community isn’t ganging up on Salla or Wilcock or Webre, et al, but are rather challenging them and all UFO researchers to do their due diligence in researching so-called “whistleblowers and insiders” by not accepting their word as sufficient evidence.

    Dolan does vet all his witnesses, he doesn’t just accept what they say without doing a background check on the individuals. So does Greer, who by the way, was the first person to state the deception that Goode, Tompkins, DeLonge and Kramer, etc. were perpetrating on the general public.

    I too have been stating this disinformant deception for long time and the unfortunate aspect of all this disinformation is that it is only damaging the credibility of Ufology and its researchers. I’ve summarized this campaign of disinformation in a timely paper titled:

    The Propaganda Campaign of Deception: “Ufology is in a Mess”

    which can be found on my Facebook page, CSETI Vancouver. It is well worth the time to read it.

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      MileHiLife

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      Terry,
      You just contradicted your own argument. Greer can’t PROVE squat, like his claim that aliens are all 100% friendly and only here to help and monitor our progression. Proof, please! Or his claims of telepathically calling on UFO’s to arrive at will. Yes, I saw his ONE video he shot here in Florida (Vero Beach, 45 minutes from my home btw) but, IF one truly had that gift, wouldn’t there be multitudes of video proof?

      Many many mainstream researchers make unproven claims from unproven sources, be they high military clearance personnel, like Bill Tompkins, or regular citizen folks like the infamous Betty & Barney Hill and their abduction CLAIM. None proven, only conjecture. Words. Why bust only Salla’s balls when you, or Dark Journalist, could literally go after EVERY whistle blower or researcher in the field?

      Sorry Bro, but if you’re gonna go outta your way to discredit someone…especially someone of Dr Salla’s stature, shouldn’t you and your cohorts attack the many other mainstream accepted researchers also UNLESS you have proof Salla is a liar or simply mislead….neither of which I’ve yet to see.

      That PROOF knife cuts both ways…careful not to cut yourself.

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        Terry Tibando

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        I haven’t contradicted myself and Dr. Greer can prove what he says. Et craft do show up almost every time he and a team of people are with him, I have seen this on several occasions when I was in his group.
        He does have video of ET spacecraft and ET beings on the ground, but for some people having such videos, there would be people who will claim it’s a hoax or CGI, so it’s damn if you do and damn if you don’t! To which I say GFY!
        You simply haven’t been paying attention or doing enough research on the subject.
        I have independently of Dr. Greer’s own work can substantiated everything he has stated with my own research, my own encounters with ETs and with the testimony of my fellow team mates. I have the proof and so does Greer!
        We don’t go attacking or trying to discredit anyone, it is about challenging the UFO investigator, their evidence and their witness credibility and for them to do their due diligence in vetting their whistleblowers and insiders.
        If Goode, Tompkins and DeLonge, etc. testimonies were credible then every UFO researcher would be all over these insiders pumping them with a barrage of questions. The fact is they haven’t because their testimonies are viewed with suspicion as is their witnesses.
        The fact that you have made these statements is evidence that you have not done any research on these people or the subject of UFOs and ETI as Greer and I have done, more over you are probably just an armchair critic.Greer has probably 55 plus years of experience with this subject and I have had over 65 years of UFO sightings and ET encounters, so we know what we are talking about! What experience do you have? Have you interviewed any witnesses, written any books about the subject, do you have intelligence agencies or the military watching every move you make with regard to this subject? Probably not and until you do, your opinions carries no weight!

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          MileHiLife

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          EVERYTHING you just stated carries NO more weight than what Goode claims. Nada, nope, zilch. They’re just WORDS.

          SHOW US THE MONEY, HOMIE!! Proof or it didn’t happen. So simple, and it might drive up traffic on your own site so you don’t have to come here slinging mud.

          While we’re at it…a little advice; IF you’re going to go outta your way to attack someone, like you did Salla, do it on your own website. YOU actually attacked Salla while simultaneously advertising your own site in the same thread…class act! Sorry if you don’t get enough traffic at your site for your ever-so important opinion to be heard.

          Show some class, otherwise you come off as just another self-consumed jerk or govt-sponsored troll.

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            Terry Tibando

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            I am sorry your hero, Salla is coming under attack, so is my
            friend Dr. Greer but it goes with the territory.

            FYI, you don’t know anything about me, you don’t know my connections with people like Salla, Greer, Friedman. Wilcock, Rosin, Webre, etc (not to inflate my position), you don’t know my accomplishments or my experiences, etc. so your comments are based on ignorance, not fact.

            I give reference to my Facebook site, not a website (which is still under
            construction) because this blog site can’t hold a long diatribe of information. Quite frankly I don’t care if people visit my sites or not, my life doesn’t come to a grinding halt if they don’t visit.

            You ask for proof, yet, when I offered it to you, you ignore it preferring to
            shout “SHOW US THE MONEY, HOMIE!!”

            What I see from you statements is no logical argument or debate of proofs but a defense for someone who has demonstrated, not just to me, but to the whole UFO Community which side he has chosen with the promotion of people who are giving out disinformation which cannot be proven with any documentation or any evidence. These whistleblowers may be good-hearted people, but they are the unsuspecting victims of brainwashing propaganda techniques because of their close associations with the military who cannot be trusted.

            Now, these are facts which you can research for yourself, if you make the
            effort to get out of that armchair you are sitting in.

            The problem is on the table, what are you going to do to resolve the situation? Are you going to find the commonality to get everyone back on the same page or will you just continue to exacerbate the problem with verbal shooting and no logical arguments?

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          Odilo von Steinitz

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          It’s a murky playing field out there where fact and fiction easily intermingle and are substituted for one another.

          It is even becoming more complicated by various factions and individuals among both protagonists, and antagonists in this debate quite conceivably being economical with the truth. This will suit everyone who has reasons to hide something.

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      Dane Arr

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      Not properly vetted? Really Terry? What constitutes proper vetting in your world?

      Seeing your constant stream of insistent denials about the whistleblowers who are at the tip of the spear on the full disclosure movement speaks volumes for who you are and who is “supporting”you. Partial Disclosure is being backed by the Cabal and it is not difficult to see what is motivating so many “researchers”, and that is social pressure from their many “in the Know” sources who are actually controlled as soft disclosure sources. For men like UFOlogists there is little difference between a controlled source and a real one, although it is so much easier to vet a controlled source since the background has been carefully arranged to pass their tests.

      As Bush Jr said, “forget the facts, we can fix the facts…”, it is common practice to steal evidence or murder witnesses. This leads to the conclusion that discovering truth requires an analysis of what is missing and why/how it is missing.

      I assume you expect the leaders of the secret space program to answer the phone and say the “Yes, Corey Goode was part of our ‘Twenty and Back’ program!” Your position is ridiculous. Demanding that is actually saying “Shut the f… up you squealer!”

      I am not an investigative journalist, but those that are face this issue constantly as those who can prove a story refuse to come forward. Corey and others have come forward independently of one another, but that is not good enough for the partial disclosure shills, in fact nothing but being told by their handlers that is is okay will be enough.

      Dane Arr
      Prepare for Change

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        Terry Tibando

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        Who do you think I am and who do you think is supporting me? I can assure you I work for no one , I’m supported by no one and what I state is always well researched before I state it or post it! I am honest and when I am wrong about something ,I’m man enough to stand up and admit it with an apology. I can take it on the chin and still come back for more, so when I call someone out on something, I don’t do it lightly! People say give us proof, give us proof! Well, you are right up to a point and in this case Goode, Tompkins, DeLonge have not provided the proof, so I and many others are still waiting for it!
        This constant bickering, arguing, calumny toward people who don’t accept the testimony of of dubious insiders serves no purpose but the divide and conquor as one blogger has already stated above.
        When a number of your peers or fellow researchers calls into question the veracity of your whistleblower’s testimony, the onus of proof falls upon the whistleblower NOT on your fellow researchers to prove their position.

        The fact that these whistleblowers’ testimonies and backgrounds have been checked by other researchers call into question what they are claiming. If we are all working toward the same thing without the expectation of personal gain, then this challenge is nothing that one researcher needs to fear from his fellow researchers, unless he is hiding something or being dishonest!

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        Maria Angelica Brunell Solar

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        Completely agree!

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      janice1960

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      Greer maintains his position that all extraterrestrials are friendly and mean us no harm, only good. It is only humans who are doing bad things to other humans. Therefore, according to Greer, Corey Goode and William Tompkins must be under some sort of mind control apparently, IMHO, because they both talk about negative ETs not only existing, but doing bad things to humans – even eating them. Greer has also been outed by MKUltra survivor Elisa E. in her book “Our Life Beyond MKUltra” as being one of the men she was programmed to. He has also been funded by Laurence Rockefeller. I think this puts some serious doubt to his credibility. But, as always, question everything but remain open minded.

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        Terry Tibando

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        That is a ridiculous statement to say that Greer outed as a former brainwashing programmer of Elisa E. a survivor of MKUltra ! Think about that statement for a moment! Asked yourself some hard questions about that atatement.

        If someone has been brainwashed by no less than a covert group like MKUltra, then, by association or by victimization, what possible truth can she reveal that wasn’t already programmed into her mind? In other words her testimony is suspect of being inaccurate and properly implanted into her head!!

        Greer was funded originally by Laurence Rockefeller, that much he admits but that doesn’t make him an agent or shill or a paid informer or someone working for a covert group.

        What this tells me is that you haven’t the foggiest understanding of who Greer is, nor have you listened to his videos, read his books or attended his lectures and seminars to ascertain his character, I have and so have many other people who can vouch for his integrity and so can hundreds of his first-hand witnesses as well as many foreign government officials, scientists, astronauts, cosmonauts, military and some intelligence people! Tell me of anyone else you know in Ufology that has this same level of credibility? Probably no very many!

        You are barking up the wrong tree! Go do your homework again and stop listening to the nasty negativists and their lying rhetoric!

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          janice1960

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          I didn’t say that Greer was the programmer. He was one of the men that Elisa E. was programmed to be an asset to. And I HAVE watched some of his videos. He has a lot of good information, BUT I don’t believe his assertion that negative aliens don’t exist. Is that too foggy for you? Or do you expect me to believe everything he says without question? That I can’t do.

          The statement that many “foreign government officials, scientists, astronauts, cosmonauts, military and some intelligence people” vouch for his integrity doesn’t say much because these are just the type of people who either have become compromised through the MKUltra (and its many incarnations) program or are participants. At any rate, with the compartmentalization of information, it is HIGHLY doubtful Greer is at the top of the pyramid. I would assess that Greer is on team Partial Disclosure whether knowingly or not.

          By the way, I first heard about Elisa E. and her connection to Greer on a Youtube channel that is also calling Corey Goode and others as being either liars or under mind control. Seems the battle lines aren’t all clear after all. Just waiting for it all to devolve into a Game of Thrones scenario. In the meantime, I’m popping more popcorn and watching ALL the characters.

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            Terry Tibando

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            Thanks for clearing up that misunderstanding. Everyone researching this phenomenon is entitled to an opinion, but opinions are a dime a dozen and real facts and evidence are invaluable and rare which few of us possess.

            What we all need to do and I will plead guilty to this myself is to stop listening to second-hand comments and accepting them as true, unless we have verified the information ourselves. One can make the argument that whatever is read or viewed on the internet cannot be trusted or verified, but the same may also be said of all media venues, like TV or movies or documentaries or even books and magazines, etc.

            Probably the only source of reliable information is straight from the horse’s mouth, but even in this current day and age when a person’s word is his bond can no longer be trusted, the information stated by someone could be a lie or disinformation. The point here is what do we consider accurate reliable information and what do we ignore or avoid. In the end it comes down to independent investigation for ourselves and not accepting what others are saying.no matter how much we like that person.

            This brings me to why I believe and accept Greer for the person and the information he shares.

            First of all, I have researched and verified everything he has said independently for myself using my own points of contact and resources of information. What he claims and states is 100% true, in fact, I have written an exhaustive 3500 page book of my investigations of UFOs and ETI based on my own experiences and well as the accounts of other witnesses. The book is an attempt to stand back and make sense of the whole phenomenon. Greer’s work is found throughout my book and I consider mt a good friend as we share similar moral values and experiences.

            Second, Greer may not be on the top of the pyramid of Disclosure but he damn close to the top. I consider him a pioneer in many fields of research and he has been acknowledged as such by people like Dolan who makes that assessment rather begrudgingly but there is respect by him for Greer.

            Third, Greer’s assessment of ETI has benignor benevolent is correct at least the ones visiting this planet, however, if you talk to him about this matter, he will tell you that not all ETs have our best interests at heart or may be neutral in their attitude toward humanity. However, there is a pecking order in the universe and hostile or aggressive extraterrestrials are not permitted to travel through the universe to other planetary or star systems until they mature to a peaceful spiritual or social state of existence. This is why humanity is quarantined to this planet and solar system, we are hostile and aggressive to ourselves and toward other intelligent species or races.

            Fourth, how can you make a statement that ETs are peaceful and benevolent toward humanity especially those one coming to our planet because the overwhelming evidence that goes back tens of thousands of years support that assertion. With a little reflection and the asking of the right questions, you will realize that ETI could have cleaned our clocks anytime they want to, even 10 – 50 thousand years ago when we were easy pickings and our best weapons were bear skins, flint knives and spears, the fact is that they haven’t, so why wait until now, when we are far more evolved to our cavemen ancestors and are armed to the teeth with weapons of mass destruction? Is it because the ETs want a fair fight? Bullshit!

            Fifth, the big wedge dividing Ufology besides the disreputable disinformants, the debate of bad alien versus good alien, alien abductions versus friendly ETI encounters. In a nutshell alien abductions are MILABS using PLFs (Programmable Life Forms) that look like Greys and Reptoids but are manmade, whereas CE-5s (Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind) are contact and communications with real ETs which are positive experiences, ones that I and many others have experienced for over 25 years now!

            Finally, in my book MKUltra is a small part of the bigger picture, not the main picture, more like one piece of the jigsaw puzzle. Read Martin Cannons 60 page page on “The Controllers” for a real eye-opening perspective on mind control, he is the leading expert in this field.

            If you are like me, you no doubt research things for yourself and draw your own conclusions, this is what I have done, I hope you do the same!

            Best of luck!

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          janice1960

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          “If someone has been brainwashed by no less than a covert group like MKUltra, then, by association or by victimization, what possible truth can she reveal that wasn’t already programmed into her mind? In other words her testimony is suspect of being inaccurate and properly implanted into her head!!”

          We’re all victims of brainwashing to one degree or another. MKUltra (and its various other incarnations) victims are extremely so. Does that mean that we should discount EVERYTHING they say? What about the men (mostly) that have been compromised by being with an MKUltra slave? Many are blackmailed with exposure if they don’t toe the line. Do we automatically NEVER believe the slave but ALWAYS believe the slaveholders because they have more integrity? If we did that, we wouldn’t even know about MKUltra today. It took testimony from many MKUltra victims to bring the atrocities to the public eye.
          We are learning that human trafficking, especially of children, is a WORLD WIDE problem. Very important people in many fields who are in powerful positions have been compromised and controlled through this method. I’m sure that a lot of us would see many of these people as being full of integrity, but we don’t have the complete picture. We need to listen to ALL sides, and ESPECIALLY the victims even though we may have doubts about their stories.

          Occam’s razor doesn’t work when reality is so NOT what we think it is. When we discard evidence without thorough examination merely because it doesn’t fit in with our beliefs, we are in danger of heading in the wrong direction. It’s in the anomalies that you’ll find new truth. It’s asking new and unusual questions that will result in new discoveries. It’s realizing that you can never lay all your trust in one basket if you are really a seeker of truth. Truth is under a crumbling foundation of lies that is going to disturb us all. That includes you, too.

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    CMazed

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    Got rid of the old facebook comment board. Good call!

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    Arcturian_and_Pleiadian

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    Richard is right, the salad 🥗 is too trusting, especially when there’s no Evidence to back up Corey’s claims, He’s just trying to defend Corey like the usual suspects like Justin below, all kissing his ass.

    Because he’s on the road to Fame and Fortune at the moment. All because of a good story and some CGI.

    What Corey needs to do is pick up a Camera and take some Video and Pictures of the Inner Earth or go off World, then upload the content for all to see, with the Original meta data intact.

    After all he’s an Ambassador right? goes on trips all the time, Mars, Antarctica,
    Inner Earth… If he’s really telling the Truth, his youtube account would get shutdown and his computer hacked within minutes.

    So let’s see the evidence, maybe even bring someone from outside the Corey Club along to verify it, with their own camera and eyes, like me.😃

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      janice1960

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      Just because there is no “hard” evidence YET does not mean we should ignore the story. If we ignored all stories, ideas, theories, etc. because of no physical evidence, we’d still be in the Dark Ages. While you and others are perfectly at your rights to disbeLIEve (Has same emphasis as to beLIEve) you overstep your boundaries by trying to destroy something that some of us are very open to investigating and exploring.
      To have an open mind does not mean that you are gullible. However, a HEALTHY skepticism is an important tool to use in discernment of the Truth. The best place to be in order to learn and understand new information is probably halfway between gullibility/naivety and arrogance/skepticism.
      “An individual’s TEACHABILITY, or their ability to learn by way of being taught by someone else, is extremely dependent upon the open-mindedness or close-mindedness of the individual being taught. Low teachability derives from arrogance and rigid skepticism, but also from naivete’ and gullibility. High teachability derives from a balance between healthy skepticism and an open-minded willingness to learn and change. — We don’t want rigidly skeptical people and we don’t want naive and gullible people. We want to strike a balance between these modes.

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      janice1960

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      Just because there is no “hard” evidence YET does not mean we should ignore the story. If we ignored all stories, ideas, theories, etc. because of no physical evidence, we’d still be in the Dark Ages. While you and others are perfectly within your rights to disbeLIEve (Has same emphasis as to beLIEve) you overstep your boundaries by trying to destroy something that some of us are very open to investigating and exploring.

      To have an open mind does not mean that you are gullible. However, a HEALTHY skepticism is an important tool to use in discernment of the Truth. The best place to be in order to learn and understand new information is probably halfway between gullibility/naivety and arrogance/skepticism.

      “An individual’s TEACHABILITY, or their ability to learn by way of being taught by someone else, is extremely dependent upon the open-mindedness or close-mindedness of the individual being taught. Low teachability derives from arrogance and rigid skepticism, but also from naivete’ and gullibility. High teachability derives from a balance between healthy skepticism and an open-minded willingness to learn and change. — We don’t want rigidly skeptical people and we don’t want naive and gullible people. We want to strike a balance between these modes.”
      ~ Mark Passeo

      Now, obviously, NO SOURCE of information is 100% correct and reliable. Humans are imperfect and make mistakes. If we were to throw out all evidence, including human testimony, because the source was not always 100% accurate or truthful (whether intentionally or not) all the time, there would never be any evidence we could accept.

      Because those human sources that are working to discredit the testimony of people like Corey Goode, Randy Kramer, and Andrew Basiago are themselves not 100% correct and reliable and even have some dark and doubtful backgrounds themselves AND seem to be involved in a concerted team effort (Dare I say conspiracy?) to target individuals (especially CG), it brings up the questions of just WHO are these individuals and what is their agenda? It doesn’t seem like they are working for full disclosure. Otherwise, they’d be concentrating their efforts on getting THEIR information out to more of the populace in a more professional manner. This would be a positive action. Instead they seem to be spending more time on discrediting others, a negative action. This raises great suspicion for me especially because of the tactics being used. Anyone who spends any amount of time on an internet forum or other type of discussion group should familiarize themselves with the the tactics used by internett trolls to help them with their discernment.
      http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/08/the-15-rules-of-internet-disinformation.html

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      stan

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      Video is no longer definitive proof of anything. You can make a nice forgery right on your phone.

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    BoboSixx II

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    Well,
    Now that we have this division in the open and uncovered about each others opinion of research, let’s get to the real path we all should be following and uncover the Truth about the hidden hands of power. Individual testimony is fine, yet we need to publicly expose and remove all those that are behind and control the powers that were/should not be.

    Words have been spoken, now it’s time for action.
    How do we motivate the good military forces and the alliance to take action, NOW?
    The alliance is in a stale-mate against the cabal. What will it take to break it?
    Let’s find out and DO SOMETHING!

    I speak my Truth to my family, friends, neighbors and strangers that are interested to listen to what I feel is real to me.
    We all agree that serious change in all of our government the World over must be implemented, but we don’t know how to get it started.
    How do We the People make it happen, TODAY?

    Not tomorrow, next week, next month or next year.
    We must make this happen, NOW.

    It is ludicrous to allow the cabal one more second of power and wealth to vehemently wield over us and our World any longer.

    Namaste.

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      Maria Angelica Brunell Solar

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      Don’t be discouraged, I have heard the US white hat military are now cooperating with Russia in Syria, instead of supporting the terrorists, which means Trump has some degree of control over US policy. But I believe things will only radically change when Americans do what Iceland did, and demonstrate en masse outside Congress and Supreme Court until all corrupt politicians and judges resign. Perhaps when the results of the criminal investigation of the pedophile rings are published, then the public will be sufficiently outraged to do it!

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    MileHiLife

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    Words are swords…
    Literally TRILLION$ of U.S. taxpayer dollars unaccounted for, and, likely never will be because the Fed has NEVER been audited. Where do these funds go? If you don’t realize just how much a single trillion is — much less tens of trillion$ — it’s more than enough to fund an entire off-planet civilization. It’s this uber secret SSP as the reasoning (along with lining Deep State pockets) for where this stolen money went — a view shared by many high-credentialed whistle blowers and researchers.

    Mr. Dolan believes in alien abductions, but I’ve yet to see a scalpel mistakenly left inside a probed abductee for proof. Only “victims” words from foggy memories for the overwhelming majority. Many only found out they were abductees AFTER undergoing hypnosis. Doesn’t Dolan believe in a U.S./alien agreement allowing for the occasional human abduction in exchange for technology? Nope, haven’t seen those “official” doc’s as proof either — only conjecture. Dolan’s buddy, fellow researcher and author — the great Linda Moulton Howe — seems to believe in many of the aforementioned though without undeniably, concrete evidence (aside from cattle mutilations of course). Why no attacks on LMH?

    I take it Dolan isn’t much a fan of Greer’s work, either? Yeah, neither am I…though I can’t prove his theories wrong as I’ve NO proof. William Tompkins is one of, if not, THE highest credentialed UFO/alien/SSP whistle blowers in this field, but even with his undeniable work & naval career — his words are just that. I, too, am suspish of his work, but the man passes the “eye test” on credibility with my own intuition. That said, I’ve been duped more than once and don’t consider myself a gullible person…but, who knows? These are interesting times, indeed, and why you’re even reading my OWN words right now as we sift through this mess during our Quest for Truth — together, for humanity’s sake…but, mostly our own curiosity (aww thx, luv u too!).

    I LIKE ICKE, but can’t prove Sir Davids oft shared theories on multiple dimensions or blood-letting Lizard Queens. No quantifiable proof, just Words on Tour… coming to a city near you! Thankfully, there IS proof regarding his long & lonely held view about satanic pedophiles in key positions running our world government and religions. Does that mean he’s right about Anu reptilians being our overlords? Not necessarily, still no verifiable proof for the masses.

    Let’s face it. Until we see, touch, hear and taste an alien ourselves (cancel that “taste” part) we’re simply not going to be-LIE-ve it.

    Or, until it’s on mainstream television news 😉

    Love Ya, Dr. Salla, and ALL the “words” you’ve contributed toward my journey to the stars…and beyond…

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    Justin Deschamps

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    You nailed it Dr. Salla.

    The epistemological fallacy of rejecting data because it can’t be assessed, with existing methods, greatly hinders ones capacity to make contact with the whole truth. I have the utmost respect for Dolan, and I understand the demands that considering all possible data sources places on a researcher. But as you say, when one properly divests themselves of a myopic focus, then considering all the data has incredible value.

    For example, examining a somewhat dubious whistleblower, who is later proven to be untruthful, might seem like a waste of time—as you didn’t add more evidence to support the theorems you were attempting to substantiate, in this case, that said whistleblowers testimony was authentic. But what you did gain is a greater capacity to understand fallacious whistleblowers in general, their motivations, their psychology, and possibly even those forces who back them. The benefit of this greater data set is incalculable when considering the grander pursuit of truth in general, of which, ufology is merely one thread.

    This is why I contend, while one should have a focus insofar as their research, they must be vigilant against the temptation to become overly myopic, and should cultivate an eclectic approach. The truth is a singular holistic all encompassing reality, and as such, our pursuit of truths needs to be governed within the a priori structure of reality, that is, all individual truths are actually threads within the fabric of the whole truth. If one is not careful, they can assume that their pursued version of truth exists within a vacuum—a persistent problem within a great many fields of study. However, as I said, reality is causally coherent and interconnected, and eventually all points around a given topic connect with all others in the universe.

    Keep up the good work.

    Much love.

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    Ginger Vogler

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    well stated! mahalo as this muddy mess of opinions needed a direction that makes sense
    ginger
    kona

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    Lesley Anderson

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    Let’s talk about the more important issue of Full Disclosure. Let’s also talk about First Contact with 5th dimensional, extra-dimensionals on a global scale. They are all set to intervene, as many of us have asked, on a free humanity’s behalf. But the good guys haven’t arrived yet. We’ve unfortunately already met the lower vibrational, technical adepts, the usual suspects like the dracos, greys, annunaki etc. We deserve much better. Work on yourself spiritually and ask for help from the higher lights. They are our real brothers and sisters.

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    Jeffrey Russell

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    Dr. Salla has responded appropriately to Richard’s statements. There is a wealth of valid data available for both Corey and William but if you take the stance that you need “the smoking gun and the bullet”, you will never get anywhere. I also find the fact that Richard is interviewing and working with Bill Ryan after he has been shown to be a Cabal agent of disinformation is particularly unsettling.

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    ivorybow

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    When reading for my degree in anthropology, we learned of the tragic loss of the long histories of multiple Native American tribes, because their histories were in an oral format. The unconscious yet totally handicapping arrogance of the “interwiewers'” caused them to dismiss the value of what they threw away, much to the loss of the world. The thing about ethnocentrism, is it is unconscious, and feels like enlightened thinking. Dolan et al, can learn from such grievous errors early academia made.

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    Niara Terela Isley

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    I have been watching this debate go on for some time now, and have stated that I am on the “side” of peace and unity, rather than division and enmity. I have both spiritual reasons for this position as well as pragmatic ones informed by quantum sciences. As I see it, Corey Goode is doing no harm to anyone by relating his experiences and knowledge. If he is lying, he will pay for it in the fullness of time. But to attack in this way. I have great respect for Daniel Liszt and Bill Ryan, and honestly, I wish they would get back to doing the kind of investigative journalism that earned them my respect. I am now wondering if they feel they’ve run out of things to report on and are getting bored, so have now turned to personal attacks and discrediting others. I have to wonder if this is because they feel all the attention that Goode and other secret space program whistleblowers are getting in the digital UFO field or territory is taking attention away from them. I can never support personal attacks unless I see actual real harm being done. There are people out there whose lies and behaviors do constitute a clear and present danger to the public, but in no way have I seen any harm come from the information being put out by Goode, Tomkins or the others mentioned here by Dr. Salla. Contrast that with the real harm caused by secrecy of the heinous actions of the Clintons with lies, deceptions about their own criminal activites from economic crimes, to crimes against the USA by careless handling of classified data, to crimes against children as in the pedophilia being exposed.

    Do I believe everything I hear? No way, not from anyone. But I do take information in and watch what correlates with other data and what doesn’t. When enough correlating data is found, then it bears looking at with a more serious eye.

    As to “lack of proof” in documentation or other means, it bears stating here, from my own experiences, that great measures are taken in situations where sensitive intel is being exposed to one person or another of making sure that the people exposed to such sensitive and highly classified intel are handled and managed in such a way where they are prevented from full access to what they experienced in certain ways. My own experiences are a case study in this. In some instances, lighting was kept low to hide details about facilities I was detained in. I was given fatigues to wear with no rank insignia, no name tags, no identifying marks of any kind on them, and the people around me, both detainees and detainers, were dressed in like fashion. So, even recall under hypnosis cannot bring forth names or units that someone might have been assigned to that would be identified by patches was not present. Then there is severe and extraordinary trauma itself that is used to bury memories. From the experiments done in mind control in Nazi prison camps to the refined and nefarious mind control techniques used today, the people in this field are quite skilled at knowing how to manipulate or break a person’s mind for specific purposes. Yet, human beings are not machines. The human organism is always trying to find wholeness and healing within itself and lies or other energetic blocks are worked upon by both body and psyche until they are cleared. If they are not cleared, then that individual will live in some state of chaos until they are. That’s why people become disturbed or ill from such energetic blocks. A multi-disciplinary approach to looking at all of this is necessary, including psychology – of all in involved, attackers and attackees – and to understand relatively new branches of science such as quantum physics where spirituality and science begin to dovetail together in ways that we ignore at our own peril.

    It would be wonderful to have nice little pat answers to our questions about all kinds of people, places, things and situations. Answers that fit into our historical view of our current reality on this planet. But the closer we approach a quantum horizon, filled with questions, our old cherished beliefs about the world we live in being destroyed, the more reality is breaking down, begging humanity to create a new vision for our future as the old systems implode around us. We can do this together, but we cannot do it fighting with each other.

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    Torus

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    Well said. It’s funny when people who know how much control there is over such evidence somehow expect others to magically produce an abundance of it.

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